The Labour Government

[TinFoilHat]

Keith had finally done it.

He's destroyed the labour party.

The left will follow Zara and form a new party which will split them as much as Reform split the Tories.

Führage will be laughing his tiny pecker off as he might become PM now

 

[stonerblue]

No child, I didn't raise the point about non-doms, I was replying. And FWIW I never claimed that all of the tax avoidance that goes on when taxes are too high is down to people leaving the UK. Anyone not on PAYE has quite a lot of scope to legally minimise their tax bill, given enough incentive to do so. Leaving the UK is just one option.

'Child' ?

 

[Chippy_boy]

Come on. We know you have a hatred of Labour, but the decisive action taken to settle the strikes had a much bigger impact and will save much more than it cost to settle them.

Will it though?

Downing Street Admits Fresh Rail Strikes Are 'Extremely Disappointing' As Pressure Grows Over Pay Award

Downing Street admitted it was “extremely disappointing” that passengers face being hit by more rail strikes despite train drivers winning a pay hi...

www.politicshome.com

 

[mosssideblue]

Will it though?

Downing Street Admits Fresh Rail Strikes Are 'Extremely Disappointing' As Pressure Grows Over Pay Award

Downing Street admitted it was “extremely disappointing” that passengers face being hit by more rail strikes despite train drivers winning a pay hi...

www.politicshome.com

Yes

 

[mosssideblue]

Keith had finally done it.

He's destroyed the labour party.

The left will follow Zara and form a new party which will split them as much as Reform split the Tories.

Führage will be laughing his tiny pecker off as he might become PM now

Farage will get no where near no 10.

 

[BlueHammer85]

It comes down to this.

I assume you accept that to buy a banana, you have to pay for a banana?

Same with much of the above. You choose to buy off the train drivers, or pay for Breakfast clubs or whatever... and hand over the money to do so, or not.

The Tories (and I) believe that the best way to pay for these things is through a strong economy, and we also believe that you do not create a strong economy by first making people poorer. Labour think the opposite. They think it is better to take more money off people, spend it and then that will make the economy stronger. It won't. It never has and never will. The ideology is broken and has been proved to be broken countless times over, all the world over.

I am sick to death of hearing Labour MPs and representatives bragging about how much OF OTHER PEOPLES' MONEY, they have spent on X, Y or Z. Any wanker can do that. Labour are breaking Britain in slow motion. Not by stopping train strikes (FOR NOW!) of course, that's great, marvellous, let's all have a party. But by what they are doing to pay for such nonsense. And by what they are not doing, like controlling immigration at all. (The drop in net migration is by their own admission, a direct consequence of measures introduced by the Tories, THAT LABOUR OPPOSED.)

It will be fucked beyond all recognition by 2029 if they carry on at this rate, sooner if Rayner et all get the helm.

What you don’t mention is the economic damage the Tories caused by not paying fairly the junior doctors and trains - those strikes cost billions and billions to the economy - so undermine Labour paying a fair wage all you like - it’s saved us from further economic damage.

And regardless of who’s policy, since Labour has been in power we’ve let in 400k less people, 50% reduction , you should just be happy with this right ? Of course we still have immigration problems notably the boat crossings but they’re looking to seriously tackle this far more than can be said of the Tories.

 

[TinFoilHat]

Farage will get no where near no 10.

I hope so.

But I'm seeing the same shit that got Trump in the first time over here.

Read the comments on some of the RW media websites. Along with the media blowing smoke up Reforms arse before they turn around in false indignation and say "How did this happen"; whilst enjoying the profits from their clickbaiting

Come on Keir show some balls and start hitting the people who can afford to pay more, or is he on a retainer like Streeting who will be set for life with all the drugs he's forcing on people to keep them out of getting proper hospital treatment.

 

[mosssideblue]

I hope so.

But I'm seeing the same shit that got Trump in the first time over here.

Read the comments on some of the RW media websites. Along with the media blowing smoke up Reforms arse before they turn around in false indignation and say "How did this happen"; whilst enjoying the profits from their clickbaiting

Come on Keir show some balls and start hitting the people who can afford to pay more, or is he on a retainer like Streeting who will be set for life with all the drugs he's forcing on people to keep them out of getting proper hospital treatment.

Farage has done nothing as an MP other than grift. He’s ignoring his constituents as well as not attending key debates and it will be easy for labour and conservatives to remind the country

 

[Cassandra]

My worry with the apparent poor negotiating skills of Starmer is what sort of deal has he done with Trump? I bet it is a better deal for Trump than it is for us.

 

[TinFoilHat]

Farage has done nothing as an MP other than grift. He’s ignoring his constituents as well as not attending key debates and it will be easy for labour and conservatives to remind the country

Trump spend 3/4 of his first term playing golf and still got elected.

Both the Tories and Labour should be snuffing him out now.

I'm bombarded with videos on you tube about Nigel "owning" parliament and there's plenty of people believing it.

I doubt the new left party will get any traction. Like TUSC when that was formed. Unions loved it but the voters didn't.

One year is nowhere near time to judge. Once some of their flagship bills take effect we may feel better. The employment rights one is a biggie.

 

[mosssideblue]

My worry with the apparent poor negotiating skills of Starmer is what sort of deal has he done with Trump? I bet it is a better deal for Trump than it is for us.

If it’s a good deal for the UK then what’s the problem

 

[mosssideblue]

Trump spend 3/4 of his first term playing golf and still got elected.

Both the Tories and Labour should be snuffing him out now.

I'm bombarded with videos on you tube about Nigel "owning" parliament and there's plenty of people believing it.

I doubt the new left party will get any traction. Like TUSC when that was formed. Unions loved it but the voters didn't.

One year is nowhere near time to judge. Once some of their flagship bills take effect we may feel better. The employment rights one is a biggie.

Totally agree. The media seem to thrive on shit stirring though

 

[TinFoilHat]

Totally agree. The media seem to thrive on shit stirring though

They were never friends of Labour because it was the party of the workers and anything that took money off the oligarchs to improve the standards the majority is manipulated to gaslight people into thinking it's bad.

I've noticed when labour have a good day then media default to migration to wind people up.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Farage has done nothing as an MP other than grift. He’s ignoring his constituents as well as not attending key debates and it will be easy for labour and conservatives to remind the country

I pray you are right but I feel it’s inevitable, Labour are just getting pillared no matter what they do, Corbyn lot will split a chunk of the vote also, the Tories are dead. What other alternative is there ?

 

[ballbag]

I pray you are right but I feel it’s inevitable, Labour are just getting pillared no matter what they do, Corbyn lot will split a chunk of the vote also, the Tories are dead. What other alternative is there ?

A revolution

 

[bluethrunthru]

some appear to have jumped the gun - the Peoples Popular Front is not a thing yet - straight out of the Life of Brian

Discussions ongoing about new party, says Jeremy Corbyn

It comes after ex-Labour MP Zarah Sultana said she was quitting the party to co-lead a new party with Corbyn.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[BlueHammer85]

A revolution

Best you’ll get is a bunch of Farage loving cunts burning Hotels and Mosques.

 

[Kompany Car]

Top earners get no personal allowance as well. They do pay 20% on the first part of their income and 40% on the next, but that becomes increasingly insignificant the more you earn and the 47% rate takes a larger and larger proportion of the total. Anyone on £1m per year pays 46% overall, for example. This catches a surprisingly large number of people. A senior partner in a consulting firm for example may well be on that sort of salary.

A surprising number of people earn £1m/yr. Really ? According to the ONS its only 18700 people out of a population of 60m plus. With those figures its not even the top 1% we are talking about its the top 0.03%.

As regards people being selfish, too much emphasis is placed on tax paid and not enough on what someone's remaining disposable income is. Tax someone earning minimum wage an extra percent and its the difference between having food or not, tax someone on £1m one percent more and it has no effect to their standard of living whatsoever, it just means they have 10k less to invest to make even more money.

Im lucky enough to earn a very good salary and fall well into the highest tax bracket, but likewise I know what is and isnt fair, when the country we live in is falling apart. When you get past the gates at the end of your drive or gated community, what do you want to see ? Somewhere pleasant or somewhere crumbing with food banks, crime and poverty.

 

[ballbag]

Best you’ll get is a bunch of Farage loving cunts burning Hotels and Mosques.

As long as they do it from the inside of the buildings they'd be torching, it might just be worth it.

 

[M18CTID]

I pray you are right but I feel it’s inevitable, Labour are just getting pillared no matter what they do, Corbyn lot will split a chunk of the vote also, the Tories are dead. What other alternative is there ?

The Lib Dems. The trouble is, they're not getting anywhere near as much airtime as Reform are getting despite having dozens more MPs. Farage and Reform are never off our TV screens these days it seems.