The Labour Government

[TinFoilHat]

 

[M18CTID]

He's been told this numerous times but still keeps his fingers in his ears

I'm not sure why Chippy keeps going into bat for the insanely rich. They don't give a fuck about him - or any of us on here - so why should he give a fuck about them if a government decides to increase their taxes slightly?

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

I'm not sure why Chippy keeps going into bat for the insanely rich. They don't give a fuck about him - or any of us on here - so why should he give a fuck about them if a government decides to increase their taxes slightly?

Isn’t it because he is rich himself, like others advocating to keep their taxes lower?

 

[Craig]

And of course the financial crisis of 2008 and the fiscal aftermath, Brexit, COVID and the inflation and huge energy price hikes due to Ukraine, all have nothing to do with it. No, just the Tory's fault all of it.

Of course we will never know, but does it ever occur to you (seriously) that in fact had Labour been in power all that time, things might actually have been worse? Or do you think the periods when e.g. Harold Wilson or James Callaghan were in charge were a raging success?

Things may have appeared better when Blair took over, but you have to consider several important factors (if you are to be honest with yourself):

1. Blair was not handed a note saying "There's no money left - we've spent all of it". He took over an economy in very good shape, and on an upward trajectory. He had a lot of scope to tax and borrow more and spend on public services. A luxury neither the Tories since 2010 nor the current Labour government have had. Of course things looked better after he spent more.

2. He was in power during a period a strong global growth, which always benefits our domestic economy, irrespective of who is in power.

3. He - and to a certain extent Brown -were not very "Labour". They didn't repeat all the mistakes of old Labour governments.

4. They fucked it up in the end. Even before the 2008 crash they had raised taxes so many times and overburdened the economy with such a huge public sector, the wheels were falling off. 2008 just finished it off.

It would be bloody marvellous if we had a time machine and could give Labour the helm in 2010 and see just how well or badly they might have done.

Not that I think the Tories did a brilliant job, BTW. On the contrary, I think they have been bloody awful. I just don't think Labour would have been remotely better.

You mention covid for a reason the country is struggling. Where do you think the Trillion pounds the government ploughed in ended up? I don’t know any working class people who ended up 20 grand better off and it didn’t disappear so where did it go?

 

[Brewster's millions]

Morning Joe, even by your standards this is a bizarre post mixing up a queston about freedom to move around the UK and resident doctors.

Back to the ignore step for you I'm afraid.

He may have made a mistake in replying to the wrong post, but he’s not wrong about the pickle Labour have got themselves into on this strike threat.

I must say, I do find the way @BigJoe#1 winds you lefties up to be very amusing. He’s really got to you.

 

[BigJoe#1]

He may have made a mistake in replying to the wrong post, but he’s not wrong about the pickle Labour have got themselves into on this strike threat.

I must say, I do find the way @BigJoe#1 winds you lefties up to be very amusing. He’s really got to you.

Resident Doctors have announced strike dates 25 July to 30th July.....

Thank fuck Wes paid them off and averted further action eh....? Anyone who could not see this coming clearly doesn't understand British Politics.

 

[BlueHammer85]

I must say, I do find the way @BigJoe#1 winds you lefties up to be very amusing. He’s really got to you.

basically any reply to his thick posts can be considered as 'he's wound you up there'.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Resident Doctors have announced strike dates 25 July to 30th July.....

Thank fuck Wes paid them off and averted further action eh....? Anyone who could not see this coming clearly doesn't understand British Politics.

Would you pay them off and avert further action ?

 

[BigJoe#1]

Would you pay them off and avert further action ?

Now who's posting a thick post?

You lefties really want to get your heads out of your own arses and wake up and smell the coffee and not believe all that you are told.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I get that but personally I'm still confused on what people mean when they talk about lost history and traditions with respect to England in particular. I think one of the issues is we've been so successful at establishing, maintaining and exporting aspects of our culture and history that people simply take it for granted.

Language is an important part of history and culture, the reality is English has been exported around the planet and it's global importance means not only has it thrived in the UK but it's shaped the world in many ways. Similarly, our legal and political systems, our cultural exports and even our sports have influenced and continue to influence large parts of the world. England in modern history has never had to fight for it's cultural survival in a way other countries have so our traditions and culture are understated and have been taken as a given. Until recently at least. However, people seem to be misdiagnosing where the pressure comes from. We have obviously lost influence in the world since WWII and there is a diminution on the global stage that contrasts sharply with America's hegemony.

The irony is that English culture helped give rise to the modern capitalist world but now the globalised American led form of it has eroded and threatens to flatten various aspects of our way of life. That's not to be anti-American it's simply a comment about issues of scale and dominance, which we once benefited from but no longer do.

Think about the things we have lost and it's almost always either because we (a) have chosen to give them up or (b) they've been replaced by an American driven alternative either with or without our consent. Even where we've chosen to give things up like the Christian faith I'd argue rampant consumerism and materialism has replaced it rather than we've just set it aside. Consumer culture, media and entertainment, language and branding, technology, labour practices, cultural norms and political discourse are all heavily influenced and controlled by the USA.

We do have an issue protecting our culture but it's not the one people seem to think it is. I can easily avoid listening to Bhangra if I want to but it's a lot harder to avoid Taylor bloody Swift, who last time I looked was not from the Punjab.

So putting aside the history and culture elements, that leaves the ethnicity bit but what does that then really mean in practical terms? For example, ignoring any moral or ethical dimensions for a moment, a white english ethnostate (btw not suggesting you are proposing that) would be an economic catastrophe. You'd possibly get some short term relief in the housing market but everything else would go to rat shit pdq. Similarly net zero immigration wouldn't be quite as catastrophic but would create way more problems than it solved. So I'm left struggling to understand what would be the meaning and/or benefit of asserting some form of white ethnic primacy, when it doesn't solve anything it probably makes it worse?

Fair points but there's some pretty fundamental stuff as well. Unless something is done regards white English birthrate, and/or immigration, then the inexorable extrapolation will be that white British will be in a minority in several decades time. At that point - perhaps even before then - there's the prospect of an Islamist party gaining influence, or god forbid, power. Imagine what that would do to our 100+ years of us struggling to establish equality for women.

Alarmist? No, because I am not suggesting this would happen overnight. But it will happen if we don't start thinking about it and what changes we need to address. I am mortified by suggestions to criminalise blasphemy against Islam, just as one example of the slippery slope. Freedom of speech is absolutely fundamental and even that has been severely eroded already.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Now who's posting a thick post?

You lefties really want to get your heads out of your own arses and wake up and smell the coffee and not believe all that you are told.

err.. just asking if you was in Government would you pay the Resident Doctors demands of a salary increase of 29.2% ?

 

[hampshireblue]

He may have made a mistake in replying to the wrong post, but he’s not wrong about the pickle Labour have got themselves into on this strike threat.

I must say, I do find the way @BigJoe#1 winds you lefties up to be very amusing. He’s really got to you.

It's not about being wound up, it's about the lack of consistency.

Maybe Labour shouldn't have setteld last year and we could have a continually deteriorating situation in the NHS. As it is, they did, but any further deal needs to include some WP changes. Once again though, it's Labour trying to tide up the Tory mess.

 

[BlueHammer85]

It's not about being wound up

For Brewster and Big Joe that's all it's about.

 

[BigJoe#1]

err.. just asking if you was in Government would you pay the Resident Doctors demands of a salary increase of 29.2% ?

Like you, I am not in Government, though unlike you I don't believe I have any influence whatsoever over Government and Government Policy, so like I (or rather you)say thick question.

 

[metalblue]

I'm not watching it. Does he explain why the rich are so selfish and unpatriotic, and that they can't take it with them?

Wow talk about not wanting to open your mind to different ways of thinking!!

Anyway the laffer model is only really applicable in economic models where there is a flat rate of tax all pay on everything rather than a progressive tax model, so whilst interesting in theory it’s not great in practice. But you’d know that if you bothered to learn something by watching it!!

 

[stonerblue]

Now who's posting a thick post?

You lefties really want to get your heads out of your own arses and wake up and smell the coffee and not believe all that you are told.

If only us 'lefties' were as smart as you eh?
Also a bit weird that you assign political labels to posters when you've been telling us for months how un-partisan you are?

 

[metalblue]

Just so we are all aware that in the 8 years kneecap have been gigging there's never ever any issues at their shows.Never any crowd issues, never any venue issues...Speak out against Israel and suddenly there's high-profile resources deployed across England/Scotland for every show - why?

I’ll give you one guess as to why…

 

[BlueHammer85]

Like you, I am not in Government, though unlike you I don't believe I have any influence whatsoever over Government and Government Policy, so like I (or rather you)say thick question.

oh right, so what you moaning for ? you have no influence and no opinion.
let's face it, your sole purpose is to criticize Labour for everything and be a WUM.
sad fucker.

 

[BigJoe#1]

If only us 'lefties' were as smart as you eh?
Also a bit weird that you assign political labels to posters when you've been telling us for months how un-partisan you are?

Thank you for recognising the fact that I am "un-partisan", not so sure how you can be alarmed that you are recognised for being a leftie... a badge of honour isn't it?

 

[stonerblue]

Fair points but there's some pretty fundamental stuff as well. Unless something is done regards white English birthrate, and/or immigration, then the inexorable extrapolation will be that white British will be in a minority in several decades time. At that point - perhaps even before then - there's the prospect of an Islamist party gaining influence, or god forbid, power. Imagine what that would do to our 100+ years of us struggling to establish equality for women.

Alarmist? No, because I am not suggesting this would happen overnight. But it will happen if we don't start thinking about it and what changes we need to address. I am mortified by suggestions to criminalise blasphemy against Islam, just as one example of the slippery slope. Freedom of speech is absolutely fundamental and even that has been severely eroded already.

Who gives a fuck what colour skin people have, apart from the racists of course?
Do you think it's possible to be non-white and English?