The Labour Government

[Hertzblue]

And when you thought the bellend that is Starmer couldn't get any worse he's now giving the vote to 16 year olds.

It is no more than a shameless attempt to manipulate the next election. They know that most kids at that age naturally rail at what they see as the injustices of the world around them and attach themselves to politicians and political parties that reflect that. When I was that age I was the same, Labour, Socialist worker, anti-nazi league all of it. What I did not understand was human characteristics, our nature and how our behaviours are shaped by self interest. How could I ? at that age you have not experienced life. It is the same all over, most start left and move right as you get older.
There may have been an argument for this when most kids of 16 were working but certainly not now when most are literally still school kids . It seems to me they enjoy an extended childhood these days, I do not see that they are more mature in any way.
Should we be surprised ? , not really, this is the party that opened the doors to mass migration in part because they believed they would swell their constituency with grateful migrants . Truly without shame or principle.
The only consolation is that like everything they touch at the moment it will backfire. I think this give momentum to the Greens and Jezbollah and split the Labour vote further. Serves them right.

 

[blueparrot]

What do you reckon? 70/80ish?

67 rising when the retirement age does :)

 

[metalblue]

At 16 you are able to work and pay taxes though.

Legally you must be in education, although apprenticeships do count. It’s highly unlikely a 16 year old will pay tax albeit it is possible (outside of having their own business or other taxes such as VAT or IHT of course).

 

[metalblue]

It is no more than a shameless attempt to manipulate the next election. They know that most kids at that age naturally rail at what they see as the injustices of the world around them and attach themselves to politicians and political parties that reflect that. When I was that age I was the same, Labour, Socialist worker, anti-nazi league all of it. What I did not understand was human characteristics, our nature and how our behaviours are shaped by self interest. How could I ? at that age you have not experienced life. It is the same all over, most start left and move right as you get older.
There may have been an argument for this when most kids of 16 were working but certainly not now when most are literally still school kids . It seems to me they enjoy an extended childhood these days, I do not see that they are more mature in any way.
Should we be surprised ? , not really, this is the party that opened the doors to mass migration in part because they believed they would swell their constituency with grateful migrants . Truly without shame or principle.
The only consolation is that like everything they touch at the moment it will backfire. I think this give momentum to the Greens and Jezbollah and split the Labour vote further. Serves them right.

There is a saying along the lines of; anyone under 30 who isn’t a socialist doesn’t have a heart, anyone over 30 who is a socialist doesn’t have a brain.

I suspect Reform will do well out of the change as well. In my lifetime society has never appeared so split as it is today.

 

[bluethrunthru]

For me, 16 years old is a bit too young to vote but you can start full time work at 16 so I think it is probably fair. I very much doubt that 16 year olds will vote for Labour or the Tories so probably good news for the Greens and possibly even Reform.

I wouldn't agree with you - many 16-17 year olds are more engaged in politics than ever because they see it on all platforms all the time - most of those against seem to be men,old,pale and stale who are worried that if youngsters have the right to influence what happens in their lives then things may change form the cozy reality they have come to enjoy.

My one misgiving is where its been tried there's at least one instance that had a poor outcome for those who implemented it

Tory party lets 15-year-olds vote for next PM despite opposing 16-year-olds voting in general election

Accusations of hypocrisy as Tory members aged 15 or over enjoy 'full voting rights' - while party fights lower voting age for public

www.independent.co.uk

 

[metalblue]

Do you know what voluntary means?

Yes, Mrs MB place of work is going through it now - she’s had her form if she wants to apply.

Never thought I’d see the day nurses were being offered redundancy from hospitals but it’s happening all over this country. All under Labour’s watch.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Why couldn’t Boris and Co do this the last few years ?

A propar PM working with Europe on national interest and to secure our borders - No wonder Reform voters are panicking.


The prime minister says the treaty includes e-gate access for frequent business travellers to Germany, and plans for a direct rail link.

"We're also working together on illegal migration," Starmer adds. "It's a clear sign that we mean business - we are coming after the illegal gangs in every way that we can."

 

[bluethrunthru]

Why couldn’t Boris and Co do this the last few years ?

A propar PM working with Europe on national interest and to secure our borders - No wonder Reform voters are panicking.


The prime minister says the treaty includes e-gate access for frequent business travellers to Germany, and plans for a direct rail link.

"We're also working together on illegal migration," Starmer adds. "It's a clear sign that we mean business - we are coming after the illegal gangs in every way that we can."

Starmer made a point which I am sure almost all our media won't report. German law prevented boat parts from being moved on at the request of the UK - because we are NOT a member state. Another huge Brexit win...... not. The Chancellor will change the law so it can be stopped but you can be the reasons why it has to be done will be too hot to touch.

What Brexiters can't grasp is if we make laws they stop at our borders. We don't rule other countries - we can make crossings illegal but its against international law - we can't send anyone back because the country of origin may not want them and we have no way of legally doing so. Farage needs migrants - any term in Govt by Reform Ltd will just be 5 years of dismantling things and blaming everything on the EU rather than talking to the EU.

 

[metalblue]

You can join the army at 16, and salaries are above £14k.

The average full time earnings in 2024 (so they'll have gone up since), for 16/17 year olds was £331 per week, which is over £17k a year. As you say many will be well below that level, so clearly, to bring the average up, there are plenty of 16/17 year olds earning well above that figure.

Even if you're restricting yourself to 16 year olds, it would take a huge jump from 16 to 17 for those averages to not include plenty of 16 year olds.

You’ve not thought this through. Think about it, how many 16 year olds join the workplace on their 16th birthday?

So even if they “could” earn £14k a year (or more) the chances of them receiving that on a pro rata basis between leaving school and their 17th birthday is pretty low.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Starmer made a point which I am sure almost all our media won't report. German law prevented boat parts from being moved on at the request of the UK - because we are NOT a member state. Another huge Brexit win...... not. The Chancellor will change the law so it can be stopped but you can be the reasons why it has to be done will be too hot to touch.

What Brexiters can't grasp is if we make laws they stop at our borders. We don't rule other countries - we can make crossings illegal but its against international law - we can't send anyone back because the country of origin may not want them and we have no way of legally doing so. Farage needs migrants - any term in Govt by Reform Ltd will just be 5 years of dismantling things and blaming everything on the EU rather than talking to the EU.

Yep! How on earth do Reform voters expect Farage to deal with this without a strong a relationship with Europe ? They just can’t get it in their heads.

 

[metalblue]

Yep! How on earth do Reform voters expect Farage to deal with this without a strong a relationship with Europe ? They just can’t get it in their heads.

He is definitely doing a good job resetting relationships with the EU, no question about that.

 

[BlueHammer85]

I suspect Reform will do well out of the change as well. In my lifetime society has never appeared so split as it is today.

Social media this biggest reason.

 

[metalblue]

Social media this biggest reason.

I can’t think of any other reason. These so called influencers and their toxicity.

 

[BigJoe#1]

It’s only lost if the person agrees to it

Do you not understand how businesses reorganization works? If the job is no longer needed in the new business structure it will go. The person may well decide to take another job and there may be protections if the job is of lower wage. BUT the job has gone and headcount will be reduced hence.... Jobs are cut!

 

[Gobshiight]

What do you reckon? 70/80ish?

75 will do it

 

[maxwellblue]

Do you not understand how businesses reorganization works? If the job is no longer needed in the new business structure it will go. The person may well decide to take another job and there may be protections if the job is of lower wage. BUT the job has gone and headcount will be reduced hence.... Jobs are cut!

You're wasting your time mate, the snowflakes just won't grasp it.

 

[TinFoilHat]

New labour MPs told not to challenge or embarrass the executive. They are "legal tools" for the parliamentary party over their constituents.

Good old Keith Stalin.

 

[mosssideblue]

Do you not understand how businesses reorganization works? If the job is no longer needed in the new business structure it will go. The person may well decide to take another job and there may be protections if the job is of lower wage. BUT the job has gone and headcount will be reduced hence.... Jobs are cut!

And how is that down to Starmer exactly?

 

[mosssideblue]

Most yours and

You're wasting your time mate, the snowflakes just won't grasp it.

Snowflakes. Grow the fuck up

 

[bluenova]

You’ve not thought this through. Think about it, how many 16 year olds join the workplace on their 16th birthday?

So even if they “could” earn £14k a year (or more) the chances of them receiving that on a pro rata basis between leaving school and their 17th birthday is pretty low.

I'm not sure that works unless all kids have their birthdays at the start of the tax year.

The tax thing isn't something I hugely care about - I was just pointing out that there would be some young people paying tax. I think 16/17 year olds are starting to contribute to adult society - many of them are working, even if they're not earning huge amounts of money. They're having to make decisions about whether they go down a practical work route, or study. Whether they go to University and rack up huge loan debts that the majority of older voters don't have. Plenty are a lot more switched on that many of the adults I know, and given so many of the issues society faces are going to have a huge impact on the next generation, I'm quite happy that they have some input :)