The Labour Government

Couldn’t agree more. What I do believe is someone will emerge, don’t know when or where from, but it will happen. This lot, God help us, are pathetic and those who voted for them deserve all they get.
I'm sure those that are suffering from higher minimum wage, better employment conditions, better childcare, higher state pension... are devastated by what they are getting. Maybe you're not happy with some degree of levelling up for the very worse off?

As a 64 year old drawing down on my pension, my position is broadly neutral since Labour got in. Is yours?
 
They’re not remotely comparable, either Rwanda to the Chagos deal or Rwanda to what they were discussing with Albania.

It clearly wasn’t opportunism, the conservatives ended up having to implement legislation just to deem Rwanda a safe country, let alone all the rest!
Just like Albania then, 2022 we had over 16,000 asylum claims, now we want to send people there.
 
I'm sure those that are suffering from higher minimum wage, better employment conditions, better childcare, higher state pension... are devastated by what they are getting. Maybe you're not happy with some degree of levelling up for the very worse off?

As a 64 year old drawing down on my pension, my position is broadly neutral since Labour got in. Is yours?
Well if you believe all that, carry on. But the looming economic crisis, inflation rising, unemployment rising, debt made easier carry on. I’m 80, we have 2 state pensions and 2 works pensions. We are neutral like yourself, but ever since Blair, the Iraq war, the PFI debacle this country has tanked econonically. When the country, and I mean the populace, voted for Brexit, I still believe they wanted big reform. We didn’t get it, we got Covid and Boris was a failure. What happens now who knows, but I worry for our grandchildren.
 
If Labour had been in power, it's highly unlikely Brexit would have happened. I also doubt very much austerity and the subsequent decimation of public services would have happened too.

No, it's not all down to the Tories, but much of it is. They came in and the roof had a leak, by the time they left power, the whole roof was at the point of collapsing.
A leak in the roof you say..
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Remember Liam Byrne's note to his successor " Sorry , there is no Money left"
 
2015 is when it really went off the rails. The biggest mistake at that point was turning austerity into a political mission rather than an economic one. They did the same with privatisation years before.

Since 2015 we have had six Prime Ministers in ten years. Prior to 2015 we had six Prime Minsters in forty years. This political instability reflected the instability in the country as a whole where we junked a broad political consensus on our industrial and foreign policy and lurched from a rebranded 1970’s Labour lite protectionist industrial policy - a ‘high wage economy’ as Johnson called it, to a far right low tax, minimal state and threadbare safety net for everyone. Basically, an ‘I’m all right Jack and fuck anyone who isn’t’ society. It lasted 45 days.

At this point the Tories were politically and intellectually dead. They were neither the party of business nor the party of the people. There was no intellectual coherence or even any idea of what the stood for. Sunak was left to tend the shop, made little attempt to govern and any hard decisions like overcrowding in our prisons and potential collapse of the justice system were booted into the next Parliament for a new Government to deal with. All they had was unworkable gimmicks and rhetoric. They even allowed our Union to be divided into separate economic jurisdictions - something May said was unthinkable for a Tory Government. Until Johnson threw our Union under the bus and held a funeral for the ‘Conservative and Unionist Party’.

What is their future? A change in leadership most certainly, but they also need a new identity. The far right is occupied by Reform whose obsession is immigration, but would also like to gut the State, health care and safety nets and make the rich even richer as the the GOP/Trump are doing now. For that they need marks and you are the mark. You have to con the people first before you can rob them. The beauty of marks is they can’t imagine they are marks until reality bites as it is currently doing especially in rural Republican communities in the US.

Starmer/Labour are pitching tent in the centre with a side helping of social conservatism (which has always been a feature of Labour and for which I have a strong distaste). This will push younger voters especially women towards more left leaning parties. Everyone talks about men drifting right, but the drift of women leftwards is just as pronounced if not more so.

So wither the Tories? Their right side is occupied, Labour are making a play for the centre, and they torched their reputation for competence. They need an identity, otherwise what is the point of them?
'kin hell is that Bob " I'm alright Jack" Kowalski bemoaning others who might have the same mindset ?
Could you please extend your concern for others by finding some empathy for your less fortunate countrymen who find their lives blighted by the immigration policies you promote.
 
'kin hell is that Bob " I'm alright Jack" Kowalski bemoaning others who might have the same mindset ?
Could you please extend your concern for others by finding some empathy for your less fortunate countrymen who find their lives blighted by the immigration policies you promote.

I can suggest cutting down on walks in the park if that helps. They do seem hazardous for some, shall we say extremely sensitive people who are easily upset?

Poor lambs.

#theyseebrownpeople
 
As a 64 year old drawing down on my pension, my position is broadly neutral since Labour got in. Is yours?
Yes. But your question in itself I find frustrating. I'm not moaning about things for myself.

I'm sure you don't think this, but people seem to conclude that because I am oppposed to raising the top rate of tax, that would impact me: It wouldn't. Ditto a wealth tax, ditto treatment of non-doms etc. As I've said, it's 99% white British around where I live.

I mention this not at all to mean "I'm alright Jack". Far from it. I mention it so that when people see me criticizing our levels of immigration and IMO daft tax proposals etc, it's not about ME. It's about me thinking what's the best thing for our country that I love.

I want EVERYONE in the UK to be as well off as possible, to have the best public services in the world. I just passionately believe that the way to get that is to get the state off peoples' backs, not tax the better off until the pips squeak and bung the money at public services and the needy. I don't think it works.
 
The Brexit deal benefited the EU far more than it benefited the UK.
Care to substantiate that claim? On face value it would seem like another Bob-ism: steaming load of bollocks wrapped in some fluffy sentences.

What the EU lost from Brexit

  • A major economy: The UK was the second-largest economy in the EU.
  • Military power: The UK was the leading military power in Europe and one of the few nuclear states.
  • Financial hub: London was (and remains) Europe's dominant financial centre.
  • Budget contributions: The UK was a net contributor, so the EU had to fill a funding gap.
  • Political balance: The UK was a liberal, free-market counterweight to more statist members like France — its absence shifted the balance.
But I shall try to have an open mind!
 
As long as people keep harping on about the previous government and who did what to who, and who’s in this category and let’s divide everybody in some way … we won’t get anywhere. Lawyers as leaders in Parliament make sure the judiciary work for them, never has it been so blatant, Blair and his wife started it and it has carried on. The populace can sense it, it will not work. I just want the country led by the right people. I can’t see anyone to be honest, have they all gone for the big money into business, I don’t know.

Aren’t you doing exactly what you say people shouldn’t do in your first sentence there though?

I meant more what specific decisions people think are examples of it needing to be depoliticised, as most examples I see when people say that are because a court has stopped a government action that to me was clearly political in itself (Rwanda was the example I was thinking about when I said the previous government).
 
Good point - I'd forgotten that. I think that was more of a last straw than anything else though. Who knows.

Yeah he probably could have survived one or the other (although that says a lot in itself, particularly in the case of Pincher) but not both.
 
Totally.

We desperately need another Margaret Thatcher. I don't mean her politics (although I wouldn't mind). I mean someone with great intellect, gravitas, strength of convinction and preparedness to do unpopular things and drag the country kicking and screaming out of the shite we've got ourselves into.

But there is no such person in any of the political parties. Labour definitely don't have anyone, and anyway their policies are mainly bonkers. The Tories are IMO finished. Farage is most definitely not it. Greens, Libdems, nope. It's bleak I'm afraid.

In my parallel universe, Ben Habib manages to kick Farage out of Reform and then wins the next GE. Zero chance of that happening.
Jeez..
 
I can suggest cutting down on walks in the park if that helps. They do seem hazardous for some, shall we say extremely sensitive people who are easily upset?

Poor lambs.

#theyseebrownpeople
Please remember the original post, nobody upset, nothing described as hazardous, what is the matter with you!
 

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