The Labour Government

[Churchlawtonblue]

I don't think its to early at all to judge him on the economy, what are you waiting for , the Autumn budget ? He's done already. Sunak was putting things together again after the covid disaster ( admittedly some of the covid decisions were partly his own but I honestly believe mainly driven by the idiot Johnson), and showing signs he could slowly turn things around.
As for lurching from one public mistake and humiliation to another, have you not been watching Starmer lately ?
Wives - Did you see Starmers yesterday ? Blimey , what fun they must have. No wonder a night out with the boys seems attractive.
Immigration OK , that's a draw . Both utterly abysmal.

D Day was catastrophic for him, Starmer hasn't done anything nearly as bad as yet to damage his reputation imo.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

I don't think its to early at all to judge him on the economy, what are you waiting for , the Autumn budget ? He's done already. Sunak was putting things together again after the covid disaster ( admittedly some of the covid decisions were partly his own but I honestly believe mainly driven by the idiot Johnson), and showing signs he could slowly turn things around.
As for lurching from one public mistake and humiliation to another, have you not been watching Starmer lately ?
Wives - Did you see Starmers yesterday ? Blimey , what fun they must have. No wonder a night out with the boys seems attractive.
Immigration OK , that's a draw . Both utterly abysmal.

It takes time to improve the economy, policies, right or wrong ones, take time to implement and see the effects. I wasn't a fan of the Chancellors budget, but it's still too early to judge whether they will work to everyone's benefit imo.

 

[M18CTID]

His general point was no wars, low tax, low energy bills win elections. Now Trump is obviously a fucking idiot but it's not that difficult to grasp the madmans musings on this occasion.

Dealing with Trump must be a nightmare though, on a personal level everyone has a line.

For me he gets a pass with Trump to get Trade deals etc... but on the current situation in the middle east no-one should be anything other than out spoken and forthright on that situation.

To be fair, we don't know what's been said behind closed doors on that. What we do know is that yesterday Trump was critical of Israel, acknowledged kids are starving in Gaza (unlike Netanyahu), and said that he wouldn't have a problem if the UK recognised Palestine as a state. I think that's the absolute maximum we could expect from him when meeting with the Prime Minister. Obviously, there's a caveat to all those things because what Trump said yesterday may end up being the complete opposite to what he might say today and I wouldn't trust the fucker as far as I could throw him!

 

[M18CTID]

D Day was catastrophic for him, Starmer hasn't done anything nearly as bad as yet to damage his reputation imo.

I'd forgotten about that to be fair.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

How do you think he compares with his recent predecessors? To be honest he comes across as better than the last three for me. Jury is out on May and Cameron as he has not been in the job long enough.

He does need to get a slightly better deal for the UK with the US, as we had a trade balance. But its not easy dealing with Trump is it.

I agree with that - I'm not sure how you deal with someone who doesn't base anything on facts and has a pathological need to win and to belittle.

As others have said, it appears that the European leaders (and probably others) have got together and worked out a standard way of dealing with him - it'll be an economic hit, but better than what they would get from a vengeful Trump.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

I agree with that - I'm not sure how you deal with someone who doesn't base anything on facts and has a pathological need to win and to belittle.

As others have said, it appears that the European leaders (and probably others) have got together and worked out a standard way of dealing with him - it'll be an economic hit, but better than what they would get from a vengeful Trump.

I actually think he plays Trump quite well, just a shame he doesnt appear to play golf lol !? It's clearly very difficult dealing with Trump, as his likes to bully people and unfortunately can do a lot of damage as we have seen.

I hope he reminds Trump of the trade balance between the US and the UK and stands up for that and the need to drop US tarrifs further on cars and Steel to protect our small homegrown industries which are no real threat to the US. We need to.be firm on this..

This is a clear difference between the UK and the US and the EU and the UK. Trump rightly or wrongly sees the huge trade deficit with the EU as a threat to US industry.

I note that there is discord within the EU with regards to the trade agreement that Von der Leyen has agreed in principal. It will be very interesting to see if it gets approved.

 

[Vic]

As am I and a great many others

It just suits the narrative that some push to play the racist card

Glad to know you're in favour of the vast majority of immigrants coming here.

And that you don't like the law on asylum.

 

[Vic]

Yes, they get it anyway even if they vote to say it’s not enough.

The whole AFC is shit, nurses need their own pay spine at a minimum but I’d go further than that and individualise pay, national pay awards foster inefficiency - there is no direct incentive for an individual to do anything differently or above and beyond, you rely on an individuals natural desire to do different which often runs in to people who don’t want to do different and gets no where. I know of one nursing team who had to pull out the stops and work a lot harder due to reduced workforce, their reward at the end? A certificate to put on the fridge, you know like them swimming certificates we used to get as kids. It was truly motivational.

As one of my colleagues said at his retirement do, the three most useless things in the world are a vote of thanks from the board of directors, an illuminated address, and a pair of men's tits.

 

[Vic]

Yeah no other politician has ever been piled on before on Bluemoon or in the media in general.

It definitely stated nowadays with Starmer.

Pmsl mate there is defending someone who you rate(others may not) and there is trying to rewrite history.

The pile-on seems to be because Starmer is trying not to offend Trump rather than take the "Hugh Grant" option.

Of course - just for a bit of perspective - there was the Johnson option.

Boris Johnson claims the world would be 'more stable' under Donald Trump

The former prime minister mocked the "global wokerati" for "trembling so violently" at the idea of Trump returning to the White House after he won 51% of the vote at the Iowa caucus on Monday.

news.sky.com

And the Truss sycophancy

Liz Truss Says Trump Is 'Right About Nearly Everything'. Here Are 7 Reasons Why She's Wrong

Two wrongs do not make a right.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk

And Sunak's avoidance technique

Sorry, Trump — Rishi Sunak’s too busy to see you

British PM has no time for former president despite meeting a host of other senior US politicians during Washington DC trip.

www.politico.eu

 

[metalblue]

With all due respect you need to understand the difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion.

The tax she didn’t pay on money earned in India and left in India (or at least never landed in any UK bank)… that money?

 

[metalblue]

His general point was no wars, low tax, low energy bills win elections. Now Trump is obviously a fucking idiot but it's not that difficult to grasp the madmans musings on this occasion.

Dealing with Trump must be a nightmare though, on a personal level everyone has a line.

For me he gets a pass with Trump to get Trade deals etc... but on the current situation in the middle east no-one should be anything other than out spoken and forthright on that situation.

I got his general point mate, it’s more the way he constructs his sentences, they’re all arse about face.

Fully agree with the rest of your post.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

The tax she didn’t pay on money earned in India and left in India (or at least never landed in any UK bank)… that money?

You have to ask yourself why she
suddenly decided to pay UK tax and reverse a decision she previously made to be a non dom? Why was that do you think?

 

[BlueAnorak]

Surely it's too early to judge Starmer on the economy , and if you still want to, his record is similar to Sunacks is it not?

Sunack was a weak leader imo, he just lurched from one public mistake and humiliation to another. A multi millionaire wife who avoided paying the tax she owed was a public relations disaster, he should have seen coming as PM. Immigration both legal and illegal was sky high during his term, much greater than it is now. And let's not forget the DDay fiasco.

Too early?
The UK economy is in a self induced stagnation spiral created soley by the policies of Rachel Reeves.
The main growth organ of small businesses are in full-on retrenchment mode thanks to ENIPs killing all hope of much growth here.
Small businesses not expanding as they would go above the ENIPs threshold. Cuts in larger businesses everywhere to stay profitable. Eemployee headcount in Leisure industries is making some outlets unprofitable so small chain pubs and restaurants across the land are closing.
Mobile Non-Doms are abandoning the UK with a resulting decline in the tax take.
The flat-lining of economic growth, the drop in tax take from Non-Doms has caused debt to increase and thus creates a need for more tax to plug tge gap.
And no matter how you do it tax increases always hit someone and impact economic growth.
To make matters worse inflation is creeping back. Before long, interest rates will rise resulting in more retrenchment.

 

[hilts]

Don't deny that, whoever is PM or a MP is in the firing line as has always been the case.
But i feel we are in a new dawn with social media since Labour have come into power and Musk/Trump.
Social Media probably has more influence than mainstream media now and it is becoming a hot bed of political hate more and more, scrolling through clips before and it was mainly footie, music, odd funny fall over video etc - now it is pure toxic, peado beatings, migrant protests, anti Muslim, violent clashes etc., most of my mates who has social media say the same - it's taken a dark turn for sure this last year.

It's the old debate does the media shape society or does society shape the media.

I never went to the pub and gave my political views on anything you lose friends doing that. Also I often heard some pretty hasty shit at various workplaces but questioning them became pointless.Nowadays I choose to put my views on here(and only here)

The media has given people a wider audience but it doesn't mean those views you or I find unpleasant weren't always there. It was easier to censor in the old days and people couldn't find like minded people so easily.

 

[Brewster's millions]

Too early?
The UK economy is in a self induced stagnation spiral created soley by the policies of Rachel Reeves.
The main growth organ of small businesses are in full-on retrenchment mode thanks to ENIPs killing all hope of much growth here.
Small businesses not expanding as they would go above the ENIPs threshold. Cuts in larger businesses everywhere to stay profitable. Eemployee headcount in Leisure industries is making some outlets unprofitable so small chain pubs and restaurants across the land are closing.
Mobile Non-Doms are abandoning the UK with a resulting decline in the tax take.
The flat-lining of economic growth, the drop in tax take from Non-Doms has caused debt to increase and thus creates a need for more tax to plug tge gap.
And no matter how you do it tax increases always hit someone and impact economic growth.
To make matters worse inflation is creeping back. Before long, interest rates will rise resulting in more retrenchment.

A slight amendment, if I may.

It’s a self-induced, stagflationary spiral.

 

[metalblue]

You have to ask yourself why she
suddenly decided to pay UK tax and reverse a decision she previously made to be a non dom? Why was that do you think?

For political expediency, nothing more, nothing less. She didn’t want to be the story and, by making the payment, she made it go away pretty quickly.

She did not legally owe any money. She’d paid the tax on it in India where it was earned. I always find the hypocrisy on this topic laughable - everyone complains like buggery when the likes Jeff Bezos don’t pay tax here (where earned) but pay tax somewhere else yet when someone like Mrs Sunak does pay her tax where earned they say she should be paying it here.

 

[bluenova]

Too early?
The UK economy is in a self induced stagnation spiral created soley by the policies of Rachel Reeves.
The main growth organ of small businesses are in full-on retrenchment mode thanks to ENIPs killing all hope of much growth here.
Small businesses not expanding as they would go above the ENIPs threshold. Cuts in larger businesses everywhere to stay profitable. Eemployee headcount in Leisure industries is making some outlets unprofitable so small chain pubs and restaurants across the land are closing.
Mobile Non-Doms are abandoning the UK with a resulting decline in the tax take.
The flat-lining of economic growth, the drop in tax take from Non-Doms has caused debt to increase and thus creates a need for more tax to plug tge gap.
And no matter how you do it tax increases always hit someone and impact economic growth.
To make matters worse inflation is creeping back. Before long, interest rates will rise resulting in more retrenchment.

The last fifty years are littered with people who thought they were going to the next PM, a year or two into a Parliament. If this is still the situation in four years time, then Labour will likely be gone, but if you think you can predict the future, I'd suggest looking at the past first, and see just how often early judgements have been wrong.

 

[metalblue]

Too early?
The UK economy is in a self induced stagnation spiral created soley by the policies of Rachel Reeves.
The main growth organ of small businesses are in full-on retrenchment mode thanks to ENIPs killing all hope of much growth here.
Small businesses not expanding as they would go above the ENIPs threshold. Cuts in larger businesses everywhere to stay profitable. Eemployee headcount in Leisure industries is making some outlets unprofitable so small chain pubs and restaurants across the land are closing.
Mobile Non-Doms are abandoning the UK with a resulting decline in the tax take.
The flat-lining of economic growth, the drop in tax take from Non-Doms has caused debt to increase and thus creates a need for more tax to plug tge gap.
And no matter how you do it tax increases always hit someone and impact economic growth.
To make matters worse inflation is creeping back. Before long, interest rates will rise resulting in more retrenchment.

Other than that though how do you think it’s going?

 

[Hertzblue]

D Day was catastrophic for him, Starmer hasn't done anything nearly as bad as yet to damage his reputation imo.

I raise you Starmer's visit to Southport the day after the murders. That will live longer in the memory than Sunak's D day. For anyone who watched it so will Starmer sitting next to Trump for an hour yesterday .

 

[Hertzblue]

It takes time to improve the economy, policies, right or wrong ones, take time to implement and see the effects. I wasn't a fan of the Chancellors budget, but it's still too early to judge whether they will work to everyone's benefit imo.

There really is only one way this is going to go. No crystal ball required.