The Labour Government

[metalblue]

It's ok to avoid tax ... its illegal to evade tax. The question is which one did Rayner try and do?

She didn’t avoid tax which is legal. She evaded it. The only question is did she knowingly evade it.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Interesting how Sky have just covered the Rayner issue. Straight down the middle, only facts and no conjecture. Not seen too much of this on Sky and looks like they’ve had word not to overplay it.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

The big question is why is her second hime in Hove? Surely she shoukd be travelling back to Ashton to see her constituents

Thats common though. I doubt Winston Churchill had a house by Featherstall Road when he was the MP for Oldham

 

[blue b4 the moon]

Thats common though. I doubt Winston Churchill had a house by Featherstall Road when he was the MP for Oldham

It's not necessarily a big problem where a MP lives, localish would be nice as you'd hope there'd be a connection to the area but, what really pisses me off are Councillors from out of the area.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

It's not necessarily a big problem where a MP lives, localish would be nice as you'd hope there'd be a connection to the area but, what really pisses me off are Councillors from out of the area.

Hasn't she been fairly clear that the Ashton house is still the local base when she's up there, it's just that it's held by the trust?

The location of the newly bought place is basically irrelevant.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

The Daily Mail bigging up the UK again this week, after 10 years of telling us that the UK would be great if non-Tory politicians and commentators stopped being negative about the place, with “welcome to North Korea”.
Now, I think Starmer is woefully bad, as are most of the cabinet, but to compare the most RW Labour government I can remember with North Korea takes a somewhat huge imagination and is a sad indictment on the state of the media in general and the written press in particular.

 

[hilts]

Hasn't she been fairly clear that the Ashton house is still the local base when she's up there, it's just that it's held by the trust?

The location of the newly bought place is basically irrelevant.

Agree its just an investment and/or a getaway place. No problems with her having a place on the south coast, makes sense has its not too far from London and is a good area for investing.
It's all about the tax due and past views of hers on politicians behaviour.

Only 3 outcomes

She got bad advice(proof?)

She gets away with it by riding out the storm under her bad advice story

She walks, sits on the back benches and comes back after a period of reflection and 'lessons learnt '. Gets a peerage and retires with great views of the Channel.

Either way she will be perfectly fine.

 

[hilts]

The Daily Mail bigging up the UK again this week, after 10 years of telling us that the UK would be great if non-Tory politicians and commentators stopped being negative about the place, with “welcome to North Korea”.
Now, I think Starmer is woefully bad, as are most of the cabinet, but to compare the most RW Labour government I can remember with North Korea takes a somewhat huge imagination and is a sad indictment on the state of the media in general and the written press in particular.

I agree, how some call them for being 'lefties' when they are anything but is amusing I think if anyone is a Tory under a Labour govt this is the best you could have hoped for really.

 

[The Black Shed]

If I was walking in the woods and saw part of a tree begin to fall overhead, would I try to avoid it or evade it? Confusingly the same thing no?

 

[mancboy]

If I was walking in the woods and saw part of a tree begin to fall overhead, would I try to avoid it or evade it? Confusingly the same thing no?

for the sake of being pedantic, avoiding it would mean you would never be in the woods in the first place, evading it would mean you moved out of the way when it started to fall.

 

[meltonblue]

Agree its just an investment and/or a getaway place. No problems with her having a place on the south coast, makes sense has its not too far from London and is a good area for investing.
It's all about the tax due and past views of hers on politicians behaviour.

Only 3 outcomes

She got bad advice(proof?)

She gets away with it by riding out the storm under her bad advice story

She walks, sits on the back benches and comes back after a period of reflection and 'lessons learnt '. Gets a peerage and retires with great views of the Channel.

Either way she will be perfectly fine.

I’d be very surprised if she doesn’t go today.

Interesting to see what then happens though. Starmer can only sack her as housing minister, not as deputy prime minister. If she resigns that, who are the party going to vote in to that role?

 

[Jimmieblue]

She's a fake, shed no tears.

You can take the girl out of Ashton, but …

 

[The Black Shed]

for the sake of being pedantic, avoiding it would mean you would never be in the woods in the first place, evading it would mean you moved out of the way when it started to fall.

I still don't get it. The pedantry is either just too strong for me, or this whole thing is so grey I can't see where one side starts and the other ends.

 

[mancboy]

I still don't get it. The pedantry is either just too strong for me, or this whole thing is so grey I can't see where one side starts and the other ends.

and thats just how people who avoid or evade tax like it ;) a massive grey area

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Agree its just an investment and/or a getaway place. No problems with her having a place on the south coast, makes sense has its not too far from London and is a good area for investing.
It's all about the tax due and past views of hers on politicians behaviour.

Only 3 outcomes

She got bad advice(proof?)

She gets away with it by riding out the storm under her bad advice story

She walks, sits on the back benches and comes back after a period of reflection and 'lessons learnt '. Gets a peerage and retires with great views of the Channel.

Either way she will be perfectly fine.

I think the ethics advisor will clear her of deliberate intention and find that she took reasonable but not exhaustive efforts; there may even be a finding that she made an error, but not deliberately. I then expect a general observation that Crown ministers are expected to go further.

At that point, she will resign as Housing Minister with the 'no intent' decision.

What I don't know, and almost no media seem to be interested in, is how it affects the Deputy PM title and her being the union's choice - I think it's been stated that she can't be sacked, presumably as DepPM. So what happens?

The circus about "she'll have to resign" rarely touches on "what post from".
The continuing questions to every minister serve little purpose apart from gotcha-ing - it's not as if they know any more details.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

All this talk of received advice is fine. Any advice will have been based on the information she provided, and that is what is more important. Clarity needed around that

 

[Odd socks]

Agree its just an investment and/or a getaway place. No problems with her having a place on the south coast, makes sense has its not too far from London and is a good area for investing.
It's all about the tax due and past views of hers on politicians behaviour.

Only 3 outcomes

She got bad advice(proof?)

She gets away with it by riding out the storm under her bad advice story

She walks, sits on the back benches and comes back after a period of reflection and 'lessons learnt '. Gets a peerage and retires with great views of the Channel.

Either way she will be perfectly fine.

Ant and Dec waiting in the wings will be her next move if she goes, like plenty before her have, picking up decent money sitting in the jungle.

 

[city2]

I’d be very surprised if she doesn’t go today.

Interesting to see what then happens though. Starmer can only sack her as housing minister, not as deputy prime minister. If she resigns that, who are the party going to vote in to that role?

Another muppet.

 

[MikeF]

Will HMRC be applying interest and a penalty payment to the late payment of the stamp duty? Pretty sure they’d be pursuing Tom, Dick n Harry for this

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

The integrity of an MP ( of any persuasion ) brought into question shocker .

FFS