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meltonblue said:
It’s not more nuanced, you’re trying to make it so incorrectly. She no longer has a financial interest in the house, it is now all in trust. How can HMRC determine she has a beneficial interest in the house when she’ll obviously not claim to have one and she’s already shown by putting it in trust she doesn’t want one? It’s her son, in what circumstance do you think she’d need to have a right in place or would request that?

You’re misunderstanding what a beneficial interest actually is.
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He's not misunderstanding. He knows what he's doing.
 
Given the level of scrutiny she has received into her property dealings you'd think she'd tread carefully so zero sympathy. That said she clearly has had a target on her back since becoming deputy .... and it is not solely down to the RW press.





Again zero sympathy

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DenisLawBackHeel74 said:
Why don’t you consider an independent candidate next time? I binned two party politics over eight years ago….i realise I’ll never be voting for anyone whose party will form a government but I became completely disillusioned with both main parties…

Wasted vote? …perhaps
Clear conscience….most definitely
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Voting green......or anyone who won't win.

So that's my ticket for the cattle truck to a camp booked.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Politicians acting with integrity?
Let’s take Robert Jenrick, a privately educated man, who talks a bit posh and went to Cambridge.
Housing minister who dithered over Grenfell and saw a further 10 fires on his watch.
He charged tax payers £100,000 for a third home in Newark that he ‘used rarely’.
His department awarded funding to his constituency in a process that was not ‘opaque or impartial’
Obviously he was another Covid wanker who said do as I say not as I do as he broke lockdown rules at least twice but stayed on.
He had a Tory council overrule officials on building an extension, due to the damaging impact on a conservation area.

He then approved a £ billion luxury housing development to his mate Richard Desmond, a Tory donor, despite huge opposition and he did it in a rush, on a date which meant Desmond didn’t have to pay a levy of over £30M, which would have applied a few days later. He also allowed Desmond to ‘save’ over £100M by scraping London wide rules for 35% affordable housing to only 21% for this particular development only.
He said that lying on a CV, in the real world, means you resign and lose your job. Obviously, he then had to later admit that he’d lied on his CV!

And, of course, most recently, risked the collapse of a particularly heinous murder trial with his ill timed tweets. That former justice minister and now shadow secretary of stated for Justice.
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You forgot that after Jenrick acted unlawfully on rushing the Desmond deal, Desmond gave a donation to the Tory Party.

If I was as suspicious as @Chippy_boy I'd say that had been agreed beforehand.
 
mancityvstoke said:
I'm not battering my eyelids.....sounds painful.

One in Greater Manchester.....Brighton? Why that far away from her constituency?

It's all very confusing and doesn't look good for us who voted for her especially now Ashton is going from bad to worse.
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It was a UK holiday home I believe, I can't bloody wait to move out of Ashton, the only thing keeping me here is my dear 89 year old mother who has lived here since they came here in 1968.

It's painful see how bad it is when walking through Ashton Town Centre now. Thankfully don't need to go into the centre much.
 
I' m not sure what Starmer is up to. If he thought appointing Lammy as Deputy PM was a good idea he is more out of touch than I realised. Should have appointed Streeting
 
blue b4 the moon said:
The only difference is the Tory ones used their political position to rob the country.

Rayner was just punting at being untouchable, her's is the sort of thing a member of the public would have tried on.

They're all crooks & cocks though.
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Yep.

Most (not all) politicians go into politics because they are bossy, busy bastards who think they know more than us and think they are better than us.


Reyner is just another example , no better, no worse than any crooked tory fucker.

Im gutted really because she shouldve been so different. But alas, she isnt
 
meltonblue said:
It’s not more nuanced, you’re trying to make it so incorrectly. She no longer has a financial interest in the house, it is now all in trust. How can HMRC determine she has a beneficial interest in the house when she’ll obviously not claim to have one and she’s already shown by putting it in trust she doesn’t want one? It’s her son, in what circumstance do you think she’d need to have a right in place or would request that?

You’re misunderstanding what a beneficial interest actually is.
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The question not asked yet, is what value was used to determine the amount the trust paid to acquire the 25% stake in the Ashton house. If it was the open market value for a 25% share in a house, fair enough. If it was any more than that, then whichever way it is dressed up, money has been taken out of the trust, to contribute to a £800k flat purchase down South, made by someone who is not a beneficiary of that trust. I suspect that by the time the Sunday papers come out, this might be the question.
 
meltonblue said:
It’s not more nuanced, you’re trying to make it so incorrectly. She no longer has a financial interest in the house, it is now all in trust. How can HMRC determine she has a beneficial interest in the house when she’ll obviously not claim to have one and she’s already shown by putting it in trust she doesn’t want one? It’s her son, in what circumstance do you think she’d need to have a right in place or would request that?

You’re misunderstanding what a beneficial interest actually is.
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I even showed you the text from HMRC but still you dig your heels in. Bizarre.

Where a dwelling is owned by another person subject to a trust which gives an individual a right to occupy the dwelling for life... that individual is treated as owning the interest

So your suggesting she has no right to visit the property she will be visiting every week. Fucking priceless mate, priceless.

Anyway this is not a hill I wish to die on. If you want to continue to make yourself look silly, carry on by all means. I'm out.
 
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