The Labour Government

[gordondaviesmoustache]

The reason I don't like Angela is simply that she's not genuine. Her use of abusive playground language is carefully calculated. It jars with me and what I was taught but tbf so does much of the same stuff on here, even when deployed by silver-tongued pros like yourself ;-)

I talk in here like I talk in real life. I’m highly articulate but I routinely use coarse, industrial language, that am not afraid to use in ‘refined’ company. It’s not an act, and nor is it calculated - it’s how I express myself and have done for many years, and to great effect I’d say.

I’m generally viewed an an exceptional communicator with highly developed people skills by those that know me in the real world, as well as being true to myself, and a genuine person by those I interact with. Nothing fake or calculated about me.

It all helps, of course if, like Rayner, you have huge reserves of self-confidence, in terms of being true to yourself.

Which is why I guess I found your reasoning in relation to Rayner to be poor, because I don’t personally see anything calculated. She expresses herself in a way that I view as natural to her, which for reasons of the foregoing I view as genuine.

I think your judgement of her is wholly wrong.

 

[Palerider]

Why is a socialist not allowed to live in a nice part of the country?

Of course she can live where she wants BUT if you really want to help the less well off (walk the walk rather than talk the talk) then what is needed is for the wealthy to remain/move to the poorer areas and use that wealth to trickle down and improve local services. i.e all the best schools, NHS hospitals etc are in the richest areas for a reason!

 

[BobKowalski]

Understandable mistake from Rayner from a 'capitalist' point of view (no one wants to pay more tax). However Rayner is supposed to be a socialist so the optics of using her huge salary to buy a lovely house in a lovely part of the country surrounded by lovely people rather than using that huge salary to 'trickle down' to the struggling businesses and people in Ashton stinks for me. So definitely guilty of hypocricy, wants the kudos of being a 'lovely, caring' socialist but when it all goes tits up wants to be judged as a capitalist.

I never understood why anyone who advocates for the poor or campaigns for social justice is required to live in a cardboard box or wear sackcloth and ashes. It makes no sense.

 

[red 2 hats]

Rayners biggest mistake was getting caught and then denying it.
She's not the only one who's at it, they've all got their noses in the trough, all parties are as guilty as each other.
There's not a single MP I trust or believe, honesty and integrity is out of the window, it doesn't matter who's in power coz they all piss in the same pot, I don't know how or when we allowed this to happen, but it's an absolute stain on the country.

 

[BTH]

Pitiful response from a pitiful poster!

The reason I don't like Angela is simply that she's not genuine. Her use of abusive playground language is carefully calculated. It jars with me and what I was taught but tbf so does much of the same stuff on here, even when deployed by silver-tongued pros like yourself ;-)

 

[Palerider]

Trying to de-spin that, you mean she should have bought a house in Ashton (to live in instead of staying part of the time in the house under trust for her son), and the money paid for it would "trickle down" to local traders rather than be spent by the sellers on stuff bought online? And that's being anti-capitalist?

She should stay in Ashton and spend her £150,000 salary in Ashton rather than spend her £150,000 salary in Brighton and London. Is that so hard to understand?

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Understandable mistake from Rayner from a 'capitalist' point of view (no one wants to pay more tax). However Rayner is supposed to be a socialist so the optics of using her huge salary to buy a lovely house in a lovely part of the country surrounded by lovely people rather than using that huge salary to 'trickle down' to the struggling businesses and people in Ashton stinks for me. So definitely guilty of hypocricy, wants the kudos of being a 'lovely, caring' socialist but when it all goes tits up wants to be judged as a capitalist.

Why is a socialist not allowed to live in a nice part of the country?

Her fiance lives in Brighton ......

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Of course she can live where she wants BUT if you really want to help the less well off (walk the walk rather than talk the talk) then what is needed is for the wealthy to remain/move to the poorer areas and use that wealth to trickle down and improve local services. i.e all the best schools, NHS hospitals etc are in the richest areas for a reason!

I’ve lived in areas where wealthy people like cheek by jowl with poor people. Certain areas of Nottingham are notable for that. The Park, which is an idiosyncratic estate for the wealthy near the city centre, is next to Lenton for example. And I don’t see very much trickle down benefits from that arrangement.

Furthermore, whilst Sussex is a wealthy county certain parts of Brighton are far from affluent.

There are rich and poor people pretty much everywhere in the UK, with a few exceptions, so your argument falls down at the first hurdle I’m afraid.

 

[Palerider]

I never understood why anyone who advocates for the poor or campaigns for social justice is required to live in a cardboard box or wear sackcloth and ashes. It makes no sense.

I'm asking her to live and spend her £150,000 salary in her working class constituency (where it's neede and some lovely houses) rather than middle class Brighton (where her money is not needed).

 

[Palerider]

Her fiance lives in Brighton ......

Her disabled son lives in Ashton .....

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

I feel a bit sorry for her. It’s not the most egregious behaviour in the world, but given her role it undermines public trust. The massaging of the truth eventually did for her though, as is often the case, and thats not great. I hope she can reflect on that whilst out of the spotlight and am sure she will be back in government at some stage.

 

[metalblue]

Imo the vast majority of our media, old and new forms, is simply no longer fit for purpose in terms of supporting healthy democracy. Don't think this has happened accidentally either. Shortsightedness and weakness by politicians in dealing with a variety of bad actors has allowed this anti-democratic clusterfuck to occur.

On the contrary, I think strong journalism has brought many an MP to task over the years.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

On the contrary, I think strong journalism has brought many an MP to task over the years.

tbf the MP’s expenses scandal, when Cameron was PM, was investigated rigorously and exposed by the Telegraph.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I feel a bit sorry for her. It’s not the most egregious behaviour in the world, but given her role it undermines public trust. The massaging of the truth eventually did for her though, as is often the case, and thats not great. I hope she can reflect on that whilst out of the spotlight and am sure she will be back in government at some stage.

I think if nothing else damaging comes out, she’ll be back in a senior post before the next GE.

 

[M18CTID]

Dont accept that ......

Property number 1. The grace and favour home provided by the taxpayer is temporary (at best) and does not count.

Property number 2. The place in Hove which she declared was to be her primary residence.

Property number 3. The house previously owned by her and her husband, Following their split this property was placed in trust for her disabled son . Where she fell foul was that the law still recognises the parents (if trustees) as ''owning'' the property if the person ultimately benefitting is under 18 years of age . Charlie (her son) is 17. She visits the property and her son once a fortnight

Now (as a labour supporter) Im not making excuses for Rayner because she should've taken expert advice and she didn't. But when the tax expert in the Daily Telegraph says that even he wasn't aware of the law as it pertained to this particular case you can see why mistakes were made.

By the way ... she's not the only one who is in trouble

'Hypocrite' Nigel Farage didn't pay £44k stamp duty then blasted Angela Rayner

Last year Nigel Farage announced he had bought a house in Clacton, Essex, but in fact it was his partner Laure Ferrari, 46, who shelled out almost £900,000 for the property

www.mirror.co.uk

If Farage gets in, I’m looking forward to seeing him held to the same standards that have done for Rayner. Given the amount of shite he’s been involved in, surely he’ll have to resign as PM in his first week.

Interestingly, he wasn’t too critical of Rayner until yesterday, certainly not as much as the Tories have been. Perhaps that’s because he can see what’s coming down the tracks if Reform win the GE, because the spotlight will then be on him.

 

[meltonblue]

She didn’t pay £40k in tax and she knew she was liable.

She took a gag order out to try and keep it a secret ffs and only when she got told the recommendation was to dismiss her did she resign.

Spin it how you like, it doesn’t change any of that.

Eh? No she didn’t take a gag order out nor did she know she was liable. She should have done though.

 

[Palerider]

I’ve lived in areas where wealthy people like cheek by jowl with poor people. Certain areas of Nottingham are notable for that. The Park, which is an idiosyncratic estate for the wealthy near the city centre, is next to Lenton for example. And I don’t see very much trickle down benefits from that arrangement.

Furthermore, whilst Sussex is a wealthy county certain parts of Brighton are far from affluent.

There are rich and poor people pretty much everywhere in the UK, with a few exceptions, so your argument falls down at the first hurdle I’m afraid.

Seriously? When I was young I used to go to Rhyl, it was lovely. Now, it's an absolute dump because all the rich people have moved away (blackpool going the same way). Last week, I was in very wealthy Torquay and it was still lovely. Money matters.

 

[meltonblue]

tbf the MP’s expenses scandal, when Cameron was PM, was investigated rigorously and exposed by the Telegraph.

What’s happened to the telegraph is one of the most depressing things about our current media tbh.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

What’s happened to the telegraph is one of the most depressing things about our current media tbh.

And that’s no mean feat either!

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Seriously? When I was young I used to go to Rhyl, it was lovely. Now, it's an absolute dump because all the rich people have moved away (blackpool going the same way). Last week, I was in very wealthy Torquay and it was still lovely. Money matters.

I think there’s a bit of a chicken and egg thing there, and I accept that seaside towns have declined hugely this century, but that decline is down to other factors than a few rich people moving away. Was working in Blackpool this summer and it’s depressing to see how jaded it looks. Even Bournemouth has really gone downhill in the last ten years.

And I wouldn’t say Torquay (which I last visited and stayed in with work about six years ago) was especially wealthy either. Not compared to other, non coastal towns of a similar size in the south of England.