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blueinsa said:
She didn’t pay £40k in tax and she knew she was liable.

She took a gag order out to try and keep it a secret ffs and only when she got told the recommendation was to dismiss her did she resign.

Spin it how you like, it doesn’t change any of that.
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Eh? No she didn’t take a gag order out nor did she know she was liable. She should have done though.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I’ve lived in areas where wealthy people like cheek by jowl with poor people. Certain areas of Nottingham are notable for that. The Park, which is an idiosyncratic estate for the wealthy near the city centre, is next to Lenton for example. And I don’t see very much trickle down benefits from that arrangement.

Furthermore, whilst Sussex is a wealthy county certain parts of Brighton are far from affluent.

There are rich and poor people pretty much everywhere in the UK, with a few exceptions, so your argument falls down at the first hurdle I’m afraid.
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Seriously? When I was young I used to go to Rhyl, it was lovely. Now, it's an absolute dump because all the rich people have moved away (blackpool going the same way). Last week, I was in very wealthy Torquay and it was still lovely. Money matters.
 
Palerider said:
Seriously? When I was young I used to go to Rhyl, it was lovely. Now, it's an absolute dump because all the rich people have moved away (blackpool going the same way). Last week, I was in very wealthy Torquay and it was still lovely. Money matters.
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I think there’s a bit of a chicken and egg thing there, and I accept that seaside towns have declined hugely this century, but that decline is down to other factors than a few rich people moving away. Was working in Blackpool this summer and it’s depressing to see how jaded it looks. Even Bournemouth has really gone downhill in the last ten years.

And I wouldn’t say Torquay (which I last visited and stayed in with work about six years ago) was especially wealthy either. Not compared to other, non coastal towns of a similar size in the south of England.
 
Brewster's millions said:
Slight correction, if I may.

She received £162,500 for her 25% share of the property, implying a gain in house price of around £130,000 over and above the typical increase that could be attributed to house price inflation.

Anything over £162,500 would obviously have led to a IHT liability.

Pure coincidence, of course.
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That doesn’t make sense to be fair, think you’re confusing the initial gift to the trust with the subsequent sale of the rest of her stake.
 
Brewster's millions said:
If you want to look for it, you can read the post I did the day after Johnson was found to have mislead parliament by the Privileges Committee. June 2023. I actually read the report and pointed out the areas I agreed with, and why I believed Johnson had in fact misled Parliament.
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When you say misled Parliament, do you mean lied to?
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I talk in here like I talk in real life. I’m highly articulate but I routinely use coarse, industrial language, that am not afraid to use in ‘refined’ company. It’s not an act, and nor is it calculated - it’s how I express myself and have done for many years, and to great effect I’d say.

I’m generally viewed an an exceptional communicator with highly developed people skills by those that know me in the real world, as well as being true to myself, and a genuine person by those I interact with. Nothing fake or calculated about me.

It all helps, of course if, like Rayner, you have huge reserves of self-confidence, in terms of being true to yourself.

Which is why I guess I found your reasoning in relation to Rayner to be poor, because I don’t personally see anything calculated. She expresses herself in a way that I view as natural to her, which for reasons of the foregoing I view as genuine.

I think your judgement of her is wholly wrong.
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Fair enough, totally accept you are genuine as I like to think I am in refraining from foul language (written and oral) unless in extremis. Having encountered Rayner in previous formal and informal conversations as a senior union official I think her current persona has been refined to fit her political ambitions. In short she's a fake.
 
Palerider said:
Seriously? When I was young I used to go to Rhyl, it was lovely. Now, it's an absolute dump because all the rich people have moved away (blackpool going the same way). Last week, I was in very wealthy Torquay and it was still lovely. Money matters.
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Do you think if the rich hadn't left en masse then the poor people of Rhyl would be quantifiably better off? By way of either of material capital or emotional capital? Trickle down economics is a complete nothing for the very poorest in our societies. Also, do you reckon your childhood memories are idealising what Rhyl was and still is?

I went to Blackpool when I was kid. It was the best place on earth. Went back a few years ago and it was a shithole...in reality, it's probably always been a shithole.
 
johnny crossan said:
Fair enough, totally accept you are genuine as I like to think I am in refraining from foul language (written and oral) unless in extremis. Having known Rayner in conversations formal and informal I think her current persona has been acquired and refined to fit her political ambitions. In short she's a fake.
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Well you have met her in person and I have not, but that does not mean my view in her isn’t valid or that yours trumps mine as a consequence of that.
 
Palerider said:
She should stay in Ashton and spend her £150,000 salary in Ashton rather than spend her £150,000 salary in Brighton and London. Is that so hard to understand?
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Is this just a Rayner-specific thing or does it apply to every MP with a second home abroad?
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I’ve lived in areas where wealthy people like cheek by jowl with poor people. Certain areas of Nottingham are notable for that. The Park, which is an idiosyncratic estate for the wealthy near the city centre, is next to Lenton for example. And I don’t see very much trickle down benefits from that arrangement.

Furthermore, whilst Sussex is a wealthy county certain parts of Brighton are far from affluent.

There are rich and poor people pretty much everywhere in the UK, with a few exceptions, so your argument falls down at the first hurdle I’m afraid.
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Every MP should buy a house in a deprived area in their constituency - and deprive a poor person of the chance to get on the housing ladder.
 
red 2 hats said:
Rayners biggest mistake was getting caught and then denying it.
She's not the only one who's at it, they've all got their noses in the trough, all parties are as guilty as each other.
There's not a single MP I trust or believe, honesty and integrity is out of the window, it doesn't matter who's in power coz they all piss in the same pot, I don't know how or when we allowed this to happen, but it's an absolute stain on the country.
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I agree wholeheartedly about as for me about 99% of those politicians are in it for themselves. You see the state of some of them when they are in the House, some are imo barely literate. I'm talking the 2 main parties here. I despair, I really do.
 
Palerider said:
Her disabled son lives in Ashton .....
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Oh, so that's the game. If she didn't have a disabled son, she wouldn't have needed to keep an interest in the hosue in Ashton so wouldn't have been caught by an obscure rule designed for other purposes.

I know one ex-MP who never lived in the constituency - kept his family home 30 miles away, came back from London on the Friday morning, stayed Friday night in a local hotel, did surgeries in his office on Saturday, went home, back to London on Monday. It was never an issue. Listening to some of the posters on this thread, if if were your MP, I wouldn't want you knowing where I live.
 
Vic said:
That may be the spinniest thread on a thread full of spinny things.
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It’s hard Vic when you spend a few days telling us we are all wrong and she has done nothing wrong, I get it.

She has made you see your arse but that’s politics mate.

You will get over it.
 
69FACUPfinal said:
I agree wholeheartedly about as for me about 99% of those politicians are in it for themselves. You see the state of some of them when they are in the House, some are imo barely literate. I'm talking the 2 main parties here. I despair, I really do.
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No-one gets to be an MP by being barely literate.
 
Blue and true said:
Do you think if the rich hadn't left en masse then the poor people of Rhyl would be quantifiably better off? By way of either of material capital or emotional capital? Trickle down economics is a complete nothing for the very poorest in our societies. Also, do you reckon your childhood memories are idealising what Rhyl was and still is?

I went to Blackpool when I was kid. It was the best place on earth. Went back a few years ago and it was a shithole...in reality, it's probably always been a shithole.
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Trickle down works perfectly well IF there is something to tickle down. If all the rich people leave an area to 'better' themselves (their choice, their right, capitalism in action but not, in my view, the "socialist" option) then clearly there is nothing to trickle down and a 'drought/ghetto' begins to emerge.

Yep, Blackpool was heaven (now a dump) but we much prefer the dog friendly beach (and rather upmarket and richer!!!) Lytham and St Annes area now.

I just do not get how any poor area gets equality if all the richer people just move out. I get how someone who calls the place they live a dump would move out but someone who pretends to be fighting for social justice who then moves to a very rich area (£800,000 for a flat?) is venturing into complete hypocricy for me.
 
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