The Labour Government

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

You said a house should pay the same tax, I have no idea if you meant couples or individuals, anyhow if you were both earning 50k I would not be giving you any tax credits or free child care.

In fact however your 100k is divided I'm not sure you would be top of my list to make it 'fair'

Forget the amount.
Take a couple, where one earns £26,000 versus 2 of them earning £13000?
Take home £80 a week different.

 

[hilts]

Forget the amount.
Take a couple, where one earns £26,000 versus 2 of them earning £13000?
Take home £80 a week different.

No please continue with your scenarios that literally no one is interested in.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

No please continue with your scenarios that literally no one is interested in.

Not literally. Almost no one, I’ll grant you, but there is one who keeps replying, seemingly betraying his ‘lack of interest’.
Blokes on the internet, eh…

 

[hilts]

Not literally. Almost no one, I’ll grant you, but there is one who keeps replying, seemingly betraying his ‘lack of interest’.
Blokes on the internet, eh…

Don't be like that i was looking forward to your threesome under one roof scenario, the plumber with his cash in hand, his Thai bride and the part time pregnant student who has 3 part time jobs and a lover who lives across the road where she spends 3 nights a week but pays no rent.

 

[Chippy_boy]

What did Thatcher do with our vast oil wealth?

Gave it to rich people of course. Naturally.

 

[Gray]

When is the next General Election or put another way how much longer have they got?

 

[Chippy_boy]

When is the next General Election or put another way how much longer have they got?

If it gets to Tuesday it's too long.

 

[hampshireblue]

Forget the amount.
Take a couple, where one earns £26,000 versus 2 of them earning £13000?
Take home £80 a week different.

Well it's actually £52 per week, but what's a 40% mistake between friends? :-)

 

[Chippy_boy]

What's people's views on this £1.5bn loan guarantee from the government to JLR?

I have to say I am pretty mixed about it. On the one hand, we don't want to see JLR or a plethora of small suppliers go bust. But in the other hand, this is a problem entirely of JLR's own making. Hacks like this are largely avoidable and are invariably caused by inadequate IT standards or implementation. (I won't go into the details here, but there's a trade off between cost and security, and too often companies opt for lower cost.)

Anyways, JLR is a big company. If it is concerned about the viability of some of its critical suppliers, is it not up to JLR to decide if it's important enough to its own business, to support those suppliers? The hack is supposed to be costing JLR £50m per week in lost revenues. This is a drop in the ocean of it's parent's - Tata Group's - revenues. They employ over 1 million people and have revenues of around $500m per day.

They can easily afford to sort this out themselves without borrowing money off the government, i.e. taxpayer.

Is this another example of he government being taken for a ride, or to be welcomed?

Edit: Mrs Chippy_Boy reminds me that the UK government (i.e. taxpayer) has already bunged Tata a £500m grant for the Port Talbot steelworks developments. Tata is a vastly wealthy business. I wonder if they are laughing at us thinking the UK government is a soft touch?

 

[Chippy_boy]

Labour Party conference coming up.

All delegates have been screened and threatened with expulsion if they dare try any stunts there.

Such as not clapping vigorously enough.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

What's people's views on this £1.5bn loan guarantee from the government to JLR?

I have to say I am pretty mixed about it. On the one hand, we don't want to see JLR or a plethora of small suppliers go bust. But in the other hand, this is a problem entirely of JLR's own making. Hacks like this are largely avoidable and are invariably caused by inadequate IT standards or implementation. (I won't go into the details here, but there's a trade off between cost and security, and too often companies opt for lower cost.)

Anyways, JLR is a big company. If it is concerned about the viability of some of its critical suppliers, is it not up to JLR to decide if it's important enough to its own business, to support those suppliers? The hack is supposed to be costing JLR £50m per week in lost revenues. This is a drop in the ocean of it's parent's - Tata Group's - revenues. They employ over 1 million people and have revenues of around $500m per day.

They can easily afford to sort this out themselves without borrowing money off the government, i.e. taxpayer.

Is this another example of he government being taken for a ride, or to be welcomed?

Edit: Mrs Chippy_Boy reminds me that the UK government (i.e. taxpayer) has already bunged Tata a £500m grant for the Port Talbot steelworks developments. Tata is a vastly wealthy business. I wonder if they are laughing at us thinking the UK government is a soft touch?

Exactly what any government should be doing.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Exactly what any government should be doing.

So not JLR or Tata's responsibility then, to look after their own business?

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

So not JLR or Tata's responsibility then, to look after their own business?

Of course, and ours to look after our people and our industry. After all, it is a loan that, if used, will be paid back.

 

[lefty goldblatt]

 

[blueinsa]

What's people's views on this £1.5bn loan guarantee from the government to JLR?

I have to say I am pretty mixed about it. On the one hand, we don't want to see JLR or a plethora of small suppliers go bust. But in the other hand, this is a problem entirely of JLR's own making. Hacks like this are largely avoidable and are invariably caused by inadequate IT standards or implementation. (I won't go into the details here, but there's a trade off between cost and security, and too often companies opt for lower cost.)

Anyways, JLR is a big company. If it is concerned about the viability of some of its critical suppliers, is it not up to JLR to decide if it's important enough to its own business, to support those suppliers? The hack is supposed to be costing JLR £50m per week in lost revenues. This is a drop in the ocean of it's parent's - Tata Group's - revenues. They employ over 1 million people and have revenues of around $500m per day.

They can easily afford to sort this out themselves without borrowing money off the government, i.e. taxpayer.

Is this another example of he government being taken for a ride, or to be welcomed?

Edit: Mrs Chippy_Boy reminds me that the UK government (i.e. taxpayer) has already bunged Tata a £500m grant for the Port Talbot steelworks developments. Tata is a vastly wealthy business. I wonder if they are laughing at us thinking the UK government is a soft touch?

Had to be done with the amount of jobs at stake but it’s a huge wake up call for business who have to ensure their systems are nailed down.

 

[metalblue]

Not like Tory K to be mischievous at a Labour party conference.

Trevor Phillips was at it today as well. Survey for Sky saying 53% of Labour members want Starmer gone.

If this budget doesn’t land they’ll be slaughtered in next years elections and he will be gone before the Labour conference next year.

Instead of focusing on what Farage and reform are doing for an election 3 plus years away he should be focusing on his political future to ensure he is there to fight Farage next GE.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Trevor Phillips was at it today as well. Survey for Sky saying 53% of Labour members want Starmer gone.

If this budget doesn’t land they’ll be slaughtered in next years elections and he will be gone before the Labour conference next year.

Makes a change from him being lucky to last the week, I suppose. ;-)

 

[TinFoilHat]

Trevor Phillips was at it today as well. Survey for Sky saying 53% of Labour members want Starmer gone.

If this budget doesn’t land they’ll be slaughtered in next years elections and he will be gone before the Labour conference next year.

Instead of focusing on what Farage and reform are doing for an election 3 plus years away he should be focusing on his political future to ensure he is there to fight Farage next GE.

He's fucked then.

Set up a "Budget monitoring group" with his mate McSweeney to write one and giving it to Reeves to read out to make her the fall girl after.

He'd make a great Tory leader.

 

[metalblue]

Makes a change from him being lucky to last the week, I suppose. ;-)

Baby steps and all that and a week is a long time in politics. What I would say is the 53% who want him gone are miles apart on what they want to replace him.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Baby steps and all that and a week is a long time in politics. What I would say is the 53% who want him gone are miles apart on what they want to replace him.

I don’t disagree. He’s not doing very well and is focussing too much on the negative, but the reports of his demise are hugely premature.

Super majority and is too boring for a scandal.