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jacko74 said:
Well a huge proportion of immigrants in the UK aren't even receiving minimum wage, working in the grey/gig economy they'll be getting well below minimum wage in reality.

Those ordering machines are a rare example of a corporation bothering to invest in technological innovation to improve productivity though, for the most part they just stick with the easier option of exploiting cheap migrant labour.

As I've previously said, comparing "productivity" between different countries is as utterly pointless and meaningless as comparing official GDP figures between different countries.
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America has huge illegal population yet is very productive. We have a smaller grey economy than developing nations and places like Greece and Italy. Illegal workers won’t be working for any of the major companies. We have more supermarkets rather than sole traders for example than places like France and more self check out etc and we have a large services sector which is basically all computer based and soon AI.

Think it’s more about short term profit / dividends rather than investing in capital rather than anything to do with poor workers or illegals
 
jacko74 said:
The difference is any business owner in the private sector who has a highly inefficient and wasteful operation with a lazy, intransigent and entitled workforce providing an abysmal level of service for thier paying customers is only wasting their own money... money which I suspect will soon run out.

It doesn't quite work like that in terms of the public sector does it, the public sector can be as inefficient, inept, intransigent, workshy and entitled as it likes... yet the money still rolls right in.
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I would say most utilities and banks provide rubbish services. Doesn’t stop the money rolling in.

The specific company I am thinking of that I worked for kept expanding.

I network with other business owners and a lot of it’s a jolly.

How many zooms do people have that could be half as long ?

How many private companies have team bonding days or early finish on Fridays etc.

Sometime there is more to work than just work and productive and sometimes it has other benefits that can result in more productivity like keeping staff

Give me examples from the public sector ?

What about the unpaid overtime work the police, teachers, NHS staff do
 
BTH said:
Rolls Royce is owned by BMW these days but it makes some sense for any government to have a hand in an important military hardware supplier.
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Just a point Rolls Royce Motor Cars is owned by BMW. Rolls Royce plc who make jet engines, nuclear systems and defence products is not.
 
After waffling on for 20+ minutes, Reeves' speech amounts to "Tories were bad for 14 years, so don't blame ME when I announce a budget that fucks everybody over."

Even Sky and ITV have had enough covering this self-aggrandizing, blame shifting twaddle.
 
Metal Biker said:
After waffling on for 20+ minutes, Reeves' speech amounts to "Tories were bad for 14 years, so don't blame ME when I announce a budget that fucks everybody over."

Even Sky and ITV have had enough covering this self-aggrandizing, blame shifting twaddle.
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Yep, she knows what is coming and is setting the scene for a shitshow. We need to cut some if the obscene spending How the fuck do we get into a debt situation like this.
 
jacko74 said:
I'm quite happy to admit that I could be described as being a member of the parasitic rentier class given that I do indeed live off unearned investment income, I do however certainly pay tax still, in many, many different ways that you obviously don't understand.. it doesn't mean I'd like to see the situation change, especially for those who benefit from it FAR more than I do or ever could.

I still don't understand why you find it so unbelievable that living off not much more than £100 a week is possible, but I suppose not everyone can be financially competent and responsible.
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Enlighten us on the special taxes that you pay that others "don't understand".
 
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Whilst I think she did the right thing setting the scene, the umming and ahhing around if she is going to raise income tax and/or NI should have just been a clear statement of yes we will need to increase taxation. If you're going to feed someone a shit sandwich, make sure you get them to bite the bit with most shit in first, it does make the rest seem more palitable.
 
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The thing is the increase allegedly in taxis to plug the black hole, so it’s not going to improve anything it’s just trying to get level, so nothing for us will change except have less money to spend, so the economy will suffer. I really don’t know what the solution is.
 
"Everyone must do their bit"

We have been, Rachel. We've tightened our belts, still gone to work, put up with the energy increases, cost of living, low minimum wage 'increases'. We have done our bit. Our turn is over.

When is it the turn of the multinationals, the shareholders, the billionaires, the millionaire celebrities and entertainers? When are you going to start taking money off them and giving it back to the populace? When is the 'living wage' going to actually match the cost of living?
 
jacko74 said:
He said they wouldn't reduce taxes until they've first reduced spending, which seems eminently sensible to me, I'm not sure how anyone seems to think it could be done any other way?

As I've said previously Reform may very well fail to honour their policy commitments if they do achieve power and could well prove to be as self serving and acquiescent to the globalist corporations and parasitic rentier class establishment who run this country as the Lib/Lab/Con Alliance have been. Who knows?

The problem any Reform Councils and Councillors have at local level is that they're inheriting a workforce made up overwhelmingly of left wing individuals who are deeply entrenched in a public sector "work" culture of entitlement, inefficiency and incompetence where they've been under no compulsion at all to be in any way productive or accountable... that workforce will inevitably double down on their appalling attitude to work and become uncooperative and intransigent in the face of any attempt at reforming it by Reform Councils.
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Tbh, unless I'm misunderstanding,I find your perspective very confusing; on the one hand you rail against greedy corporations and the rentier class but on the other seem to be supporting or at least defending a party that is funded by the extremely wealthy and has ideological, personnel and financial links to a network of US libertarians who own gigantic corporations and are convinced they should be allowed to run things themselves in an unfettered fashion. Your talking points are those of the people who actively want to dismantle the concept of the state so that a small number of big corporations can run things. I don't get how you square that circle?
 
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metalblue said:
Cheap labour facilitates labour intensive roles which absolutely reduces UK productivity.
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That's one view...

Yet farmers and anyone else looking for people to do work that the local population won't do will likely say that "cheap" foreign workers work harder and for longer hours, so how is that not helping productivity?

Personally, I don't think the productivity calculations always make sense. How would the industrial revolution have happened without cheap labour (to work the machines)? It's a bit like when Worthing was declared to be the most profitable town in England a few years ago, based on company profits over turnover. For de-industrialising towns in the north-west, the obvious way to be more "profitable" was to close the traditional metal-bashing industries and put people out of work, thus improving "profitability".
 
WRicko said:
Read the point again
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"Cheap labour facilitates labour intensive roles which absolutely reduces UK productivity". Not if it enables a firm to start up and produce something that wasn't being produced before.

Test question: are Just Eat and Deliveroo good for UK productivity?
 
Metal Biker said:
After waffling on for 20+ minutes, Reeves' speech amounts to "Tories were bad for 14 years, so don't blame ME when I announce a budget that fucks everybody over."

Even Sky and ITV have had enough covering this self-aggrandizing, blame shifting twaddle.
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At least the her make-up team earned some overtime. Probably a 4 am start
 
stonerblue said:
Seems like you have some interest..
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None whatsoever in politics, couldnt help that it was live on GMB whilst I’m having my coffee. I do have an interest in how much she’s increasing what they are taking out of my pay packet though.

You got a problem with that?
 
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