The Labour Government

[WRicko]

so living permanently with that hanging over you-marvellous. how to treat people.

In away it make sense I mean they are coming as refugees and not that it will happen but if it meant helping more people because some returned then that would be good they being said I agree having it hanging over you for apparently 20 years before you can settle is a disgrace tho I wonder if they might have away round it such as paying to stay or becoming a citizen

 

[WRicko]

Do you really believe that people who have been here just shy of 20 years will be forcibly removed from the UK if conditions change in their home country?

I find that very doubtful, personally. I think a lot of genuine asylum seekers who have been forced to leave their country because they are opposed to a particularly unpleasant regime would want to move back when they can anyway. I friend of mine is Iranian and I suspect he would want to go back if the current regime fell.

But I very much doubt that type of economic migrants currently clogging up the asylum system would be deterred by only being granted a ‘temporary’ stay. Even if they have to reapply every couple of years, I suspect they’d still see it as worthwhile.

So your conflating economic migrants and asylum seeker and asylum you think that a policy that says you will be deported for up to 20 years doesn’t actually mean you will be deported ? Based on what ?

 

[WRicko]

So are tough, strong immigration policies now a good thing?

Asking for those who have been called racist and bigoted for thinking like that for a bit longer than the sudden converts.

Imagine daring to question someone coming here from a safe country illegally, and asking for them to be sent back, called out for it and to now see a Labour Home Secretary say she will bring such a rule in and it barely even raising an eyebrow on here.

You are aware of the issue of calling them illegal ?

 

[WRicko]

If you know up front that your stay is not guaranteed, then it is upon that individual if they want to take such a chance on having a family

So wait 20 years before you fall in love marry have kids ?

 

[metalblue]

Do you really believe that people who have been here just shy of 20 years will be forcibly removed from the UK if conditions change in their home country?

I find that very doubtful, personally. I think a lot of genuine asylum seekers who have been forced to leave their country because they are opposed to a particularly unpleasant regime would want to move back when they can anyway. I friend of mine is Iranian and I suspect he would want to go back if the current regime fell.

But I very much doubt that type of economic migrants currently clogging up the asylum system would be deterred by only being granted a ‘temporary’ stay. Even if they have to reapply every couple of years, I suspect they’d still see it as worthwhile.

It very much depends on the process. If it’s all driven by a right to stay / work through a visa with an expiry date then it’s pretty straightforward - if you want to stay follow the application process if you don’t you’ll be going home.

Regardless of this being the most important issue or not it needs reform and Mahmood has got some ideas on how that can happen and quite frankly, at least on the surface, far better than anything that I’ve heard from anyone else.

It will become clearer tomorrow.

 

[mosssideblue]

So wait 20 years before you fall in love marry have kids ?

Or don’t come in the first place if that proposition doesn’t appeal

 

[bert38]

In away it make sense I mean they are coming as refugees and not that it will happen but if it meant helping more people because some returned then that would be good they being said I agree having it hanging over you for apparently 20 years before you can settle is a disgrace tho I wonder if they might have away round it such as paying to stay or becoming a citizen

whoever is advising the govt and coming up with these appalling policies need to be fucked off or else the whole lot need to go-people voted for change not simply more of the same shit and chasing the bigot vote who will never vote for them irrespective of how cruel they try to be.

 

[WRicko]

Thoughts on the asylum seeker question. Is it right to take the stance that these people shouldn’t be given a permanent pass, and having to move back when conditions are right?

Seems sensible to me. I always thought that if something happened in the UK that put my life, and family at risk, I’d try to get to Canada or Australia where I have family, lesser to Germany, Belgium or Netherlands, where we have friends. But, when clear, I’d expect to come back home.

There is a certain logic to it that being said

Would you wait 20 Years before you fall in love have kids etc ?

And you don’t think this might also have a negative affect on how well they integrate in terms of jobs friends family incase they have to leave ? And how will that affect the economy and society

 

[metalblue]

So wait 20 years before you fall in love marry have kids ?

Of course not!!

Once you’ve built a life for yourself here then make a proper application to stay (rather than it be granted upfront).

If you meet the threshold they’ll be no problem with you staying and nor should there be - we can debate if those thresholds are fair or not once we know the detail. If we do this via visa’s starting with a “right to temporary asylum and work” then asylum seekers could work straight away and that’s good for all concerned.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

So wait 20 years before you fall in love marry have kids ?

Some people have lost all sense of perspective in their need to be as vindictive as possible.

Hopefully South African partners that haven’t already been here for 20 years are deported first.

 

[BlueHammer85]

The stronger on migration Labour are getting the more worried and unsettled Reform are- they’re absolutely panicking now Labour are fixing the migration issue that 14 years of Tories and Brexit made worse.

Reform can only get more extreme ‘mass deportation now!!’ And the more embarrassing they look. Keep it up Labour

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

The stronger on migration Labour are getting the more worried and unsettled Reform are- they’re absolutely panicking now Labour are fixing the migration issue that 14 years of Tories and Brexit made worse.

Reform can only get more extreme ‘mass deportation now!!’ And the more embarrassing they look. Keep it up Labour

Disagree with this. Reform need to be ignored and policies of hope, opportunity and kindness need to return.

Until then, the race to the bottom in terms of being cruel to “outsiders” Will increase.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

So you have to be a Muslim to care about death, war crimes and probable genocide ? And even if that were true. What exactly would the problem be with having a few MPs that care I am sure they have other ideas opinions policies and so will the people who vote for them

Where did I put that?

Being Muslim and caring about Gaza can be separate. I guess there could be an issue with some of these MPs being very conservative and religous in their views

 

[Chippy_boy]

So wait 20 years before you fall in love marry have kids ?

Or decide to stay in the war torn hell hole of lawlessness and persecution that is France perhaps?

 

[hilts]

There is a certain logic to it that being said

Would you wait 20 Years before you fall in love have kids etc ?

And you don’t think this might also have a negative affect on how well they integrate in terms of jobs friends family incase they have to leave ? And how will that affect the economy and society

Whether the politicians admit it or not the only way to curb numbers is to make the UK an unappealing destination.
I think anyone balanced who saw the recent investigation by the BBC into the black market shenanigans would admit there is a problem.
Until people accept there are genuine and fraudulent people entering the country rather than fighting for 'a side' the shit show in politics will continue. We know who is currently winning the battle though.

 

[bert38]

Or decide to stay in the war torn hell hole of lawlessness and persecution that is France perhaps?

you do understand that France take far more asylum seekers than this country?

 

[bert38]

Whether the politicians admit it or not the only way to curb numbers is to make the UK an unappealing destination.
I think anyone balanced who saw the recent investigation by the BBC into the black market shenanigans would admit there is a problem.
Until people accept there are genuine and fraudulent people entering the country rather than fighting for 'a side' the shit show in politics will continue. We know who is currently winning the battle though.

of course-but 20 years?!!

all Labour are doing by constantly talking about 'illegal' immigration is push the reform narrative.

we cannot forget that brexit then the Tories deliberate policy to build a back log of claimants so that they could blame them for their failures has led us here.

'illegal' migration is still a tiny percentage compared to legal migration-changing the right to claim citizenship from 5 to 20 years is appalling and wont help anything.

most people want labour to focus on what will actually improve people's lives not continually blaming the 'other' because if they keep doing that we might as well just get to the end game and hand over the country to farage (trump) and watch him and his mates strip the country bare.

 

[metalblue]

The stronger on migration Labour are getting the more worried and unsettled Reform are- they’re absolutely panicking now Labour are fixing the migration issue that 14 years of Tories and Brexit made worse.

Reform can only get more extreme ‘mass deportation now!!’ And the more embarrassing they look. Keep it up Labour

Perhaps a bit early to celebrate. It certainly out manoeuvred Reform and the Tories but the left of the party won’t like it.

Coming up with, IMHO, good ideas and getting it passed are two different things. If this fails to get through then this government is surely a lame duck, the next steps being fairly obvious.

 

[hilts]

The stronger on migration Labour are getting the more worried and unsettled Reform are- they’re absolutely panicking now Labour are fixing the migration issue that 14 years of Tories and Brexit made worse.

Reform can only get more extreme ‘mass deportation now!!’ And the more embarrassing they look. Keep it up Labour

Fixing? That's a leap fella.

 

[stonerblue]

You’re in an ever decreasing minority.

And me.