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ono said:
It depends where you live. If you live in a very deprived small town like me in the North East that has taken approx 12,000 migrants - the majority who have settled across a relatively small number of central wards, yes it is. It massively changes the demographics of the town, puts a huge strain on services, creates a huge demand on the rental market which drives rental prices up (particularly as a proportion of the migrants are students) and generally speaking makes people feel less connected and less safe.

In the past, I would view that feeling as unjustified, but in the past 4 years or so I have caught a migrant male stood on my drive way at 4am, had a migrant male break into my in-laws neighbour and sexually assault her (after knocking on my inlaws door beforehand), had a migrant male follow my gf and daughter home swinging a pool cue round his head while screaming, and a migrant male arrested on my street for pulling a blade out on some little kids (who to be fair, might have been gobshites). No idea if my experience is an outlier or not.
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Long time no see Ono, is Silva signing for Utd?
 
Chippy_boy said:
Absolutely. It's total fallacy to think that we are near the top of the pile, sadly. And it's worse than I remembered. According to the IMF (2025) the following countries are better off than us in raw GDP per capita terms:

Rank Country GDP per Capita (USD)
1 Monaco $256,581
2 Liechtenstein $201,150
3 Luxembourg $141,080
4 Bermuda $125,842
5 Switzerland $111,716
6 Ireland $107,243
7 Cayman Islands $97,583
8 Singapore $93,956
9 Norway $90,320
10 Iceland $90,111
11 United States $89,678
12 Macau $84,276
13 Qatar $72,760
14 Denmark $71,967
15 Netherlands $70,606
16 Australia $67,979
17 San Marino $61,518
18 Austria $61,080
19 Sweden $59,508
20 Belgium $58,248
21 Germany $57,914
22 Finland $57,183
23 Canada $55,890
24 Hong Kong $55,608
25 Israel $54,370

We are 26th with $54,280. Allowing for how much your money actually buys you (Purchasing Power Parity, PPP) we are 31st! Just look at the list of countries where people are better off than we are in the UK. It's really quite depressing.

But in fact it's much worse than that because so much of our wealth is in the southeast. So tens of millions of people not in the southeast are much worse off than that. People really need to reflect upon this before spouting out the usual nonsense about how loaded we are and how we can easily afford x, y or z.
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I might be wrong here but I am sure I read somewhere that the GDP per capita of the UK without London money is somewhere in the region of the poorest state in USA, Mississippi.
 
Chippy_boy said:
But it isn't is it. Do you want your your 8 year old being told its' OK if he want to become a woman? I do not. Do you want companies blocking hiring of the most capable white male in favour of a less capable trans black "woman"? I don't want that either. Do you want people who could work choosing not to because they have been kidded into thinking that being stressed is not normal part of human life? Nope. Don't want that either. People being arrested because they said something that upset someone? FFS. How about not being able to send people to prison because there's no-one to feed their cat?

It's ALL fucking bollocks mate and all of it must stop. Thankfully, in less than 4 years now, it WILL stop.
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What a load of shit.
 
Gorbachev said:
I might be wrong here but I am sure I read somewhere that the GDP per capita of the UK without London money is somewhere in the region of the poorest state in USA, Mississippi.
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Which is ironic as most Labour 'centrists' on here come across as no better than past plantation owners from that area

Well someone has to do the low paid shit for us. Roof over their head and food in the belly.
 
No idea how much it would cost but I'd nationalise the utilities because they are ripping off the public. Still make profits but not ridiculous one's, then invest the yearly profits into public services, such as the NHS, public transport, and the Police.

Is it feasible? If not why not?
 
blueinsa said:
It’s a huge issue affecting the country and no matter how many times you tell yourself it’s not, guess what?

It is and that’s why it’s being dealt with by huge policy change.

Don’t like it?

Vote Green, they will still let everyone in.
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Why vote Green? Vote Tory. They presided over the highest levels of immigration in history. Almost all of it legal. Almost all of it as a direct result of their immigration policies and visa schemes designed to attract millions. All while bullshitting everyone with anti-immigrant and at times blatantly far right rhetoric.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
Why vote Green? Vote Tory. They presided over the highest levels of immigration in history. Almost all of it legal. Almost all of it as a direct result of their immigration policies and visa schemes designed to attract millions. All while bullshitting everyone with anti-immigrant and at times blatantly far right rhetoric.
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It's comical watching the rhetoric from them that the Labour proposals are a step in the right direction but don't go far enough.
 
domalino said:
I've yet to see a country where the far right has been beaten by moving closer and closer to them in policy.

The fact Tommy Robinson and co. are celebrating this as a victory and claiming they've won tells you everything you need to know.

Some of the things in there are reasonable changes in the face of a worldwide increase in asylum seekers, but typical of this Labour govt they've gone so far in trying to appease the far right with some of the rhetoric they've lost half their own MPs, a load of their own voters, and the resulting chaos will just strengthen the far right, and not a single reform voter will switch to Labour because of this.

So you're closer to a fRW government this evening than you were this morning.
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Nah. Id take labour over farage anytime.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Absolutely. It's total fallacy to think that we are near the top of the pile, sadly. And it's worse than I remembered. According to the IMF (2025) the following countries are better off than us in raw GDP per capita terms:

Rank Country GDP per Capita (USD)
1 Monaco $256,581
2 Liechtenstein $201,150
3 Luxembourg $141,080
4 Bermuda $125,842
5 Switzerland $111,716
6 Ireland $107,243
7 Cayman Islands $97,583
8 Singapore $93,956
9 Norway $90,320
10 Iceland $90,111
11 United States $89,678
12 Macau $84,276
13 Qatar $72,760
14 Denmark $71,967
15 Netherlands $70,606
16 Australia $67,979
17 San Marino $61,518
18 Austria $61,080
19 Sweden $59,508
20 Belgium $58,248
21 Germany $57,914
22 Finland $57,183
23 Canada $55,890
24 Hong Kong $55,608
25 Israel $54,370

We are 26th with $54,280. Allowing for how much your money actually buys you (Purchasing Power Parity, PPP) we are 31st! Just look at the list of countries where people are better off than we are in the UK. It's really quite depressing.

But in fact it's much worse than that because so much of our wealth is in the southeast. So tens of millions of people not in the southeast are much worse off than that. People really need to reflect upon this before spouting out the usual nonsense about how loaded we are and how we can easily afford x, y or z.
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Just a gentle reminder that for 64 years out of the last 100 , the Tories have been in power. Where has the money gone?
 
Chippy_boy said:
But it isn't is it. Do you want your your 8 year old being told its' OK if he want to become a woman? I do not. Do you want companies blocking hiring of the most capable white male in favour of a less capable trans black "woman"? I don't want that either. Do you want people who could work choosing not to because they have been kidded into thinking that being stressed is not normal part of human life? Nope. Don't want that either. People being arrested because they said something that upset someone? FFS. How about not being able to send people to prison because there's no-one to feed their cat?

It's ALL fucking bollocks mate and all of it must stop. Thankfully, in less than 4 years now, it WILL stop.
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And who exactly is going to stop it?
Edit: and how?
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
Flicked from BBC to Sky for the 6 o’clock start of the news, and there they are, huge negativity to Labours plans and can’t wait to mention Reform and Farage.

Whatever Labour do, it doesn’t matter.
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Stop being so precious. They are also talking about the crack down on ticket touts - which is great news and well done Labour for doing it.
 
The Stockport Iniesta said:
No idea how much it would cost but I'd nationalise the utilities because they are ripping off the public. Still make profits but not ridiculous one's, then invest the yearly profits into public services, such as the NHS, public transport, and the Police.

Is it feasible? If not why not?
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Your problem is the likes of investment companies such as Blackrock who are powerful enough to make and break governments. Blackrock alone holds over $12 trillion of assets, many of the assets being utilities. They are also the holders of billions in government debt and hence set the rate at which governments can borrow.

Even if you could take back ownership from these the costs would be huge. If you wanted to take back generation, transmission and distribution, you’re not getting much change from £200Bn.

How much would the average household save ? About a quarter of their annual bill or around £400 per year for the average household.

28.5 million homes in the UK, saving £400 is around £11.5Bn per year, so to break even about 17.5 years if you brought it back in to public ownership. That’s not taking into account the borrowing which the government would need to do, which of course would require the issuing of gilts which Blackrock and their ilk effectively sets the interest rates on.

The word checkmate comes to mind.

And if you think that’s outrageous, the latest from Blackrock is that the UK’s housing stock is “an undervalued asset” and as such they are providing funding, but on the basis of the properties being built are for rental or shared ownership. Meanwhile their old buddies Blackstone (was the same company until 1994) are hoovering up properties to rent out. So far they have bought over 11000 but intend to keep buying more.
 
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ono said:
It depends where you live. If you live in a very deprived small town like me in the North East that has taken approx 12,000 migrants - the majority who have settled across a relatively small number of central wards, yes it is. It massively changes the demographics of the town, puts a huge strain on services, creates a huge demand on the rental market which drives rental prices up (particularly as a proportion of the migrants are students) and generally speaking makes people feel less connected and less safe.

In the past, I would view that feeling as unjustified, but in the past 4 years or so I have caught a migrant male stood on my drive way at 4am, had a migrant male break into my in-laws neighbour and sexually assault her (after knocking on my inlaws door beforehand), had a migrant male follow my gf and daughter home swinging a pool cue round his head while screaming, and a migrant male arrested on my street for pulling a blade out on some little kids (who to be fair, might have been gobshites). No idea if my experience is an outlier or not.
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Were they all migrants or did they just look foreign / brown. Where they immigrants or aslyum seekers ? So of the 40,000 aslyum seekers that come over your getting 12,000 of them ?

So people feel less safe because they are foreign seems to be a sentence in there.

Not sure why students would put up rents more than any other person plus they contribute massively. They pay extra fees and generally very smart and spend a lot of money.

Defiantly not normal

Why does everyone seem to care more about foreign criminals and especially if they are none white.

Outrage about asylum seeking criminals sexually assaulting people but where were the riots over Jimmy Savel ? Or that kid that just got sent down for stuff in a nursery ? Or Roman Catholic Church ? Or the Romanies that got deported about a month ago ?
 
Chippy_boy said:
But it isn't is it. Do you want your your 8 year old being told its' OK if he want to become a woman? I do not. Do you want companies blocking hiring of the most capable white male in favour of a less capable trans black "woman"? I don't want that either. Do you want people who could work choosing not to because they have been kidded into thinking that being stressed is not normal part of human life? Nope. Don't want that either. People being arrested because they said something that upset someone? FFS. How about not being able to send people to prison because there's no-one to feed their cat?

It's ALL fucking bollocks mate and all of it must stop. Thankfully, in less than 4 years now, it WILL stop.
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But it's not all about what Chippy in his cellar adorned with photos of Farage and Tommy on the walls is it?

You've done exactly what the fRW playbook demands and used a very small minority of occurrences to make it sound as if it's the norm-just the same as the argument that all immigrants are criminals. Then you would be the first to moan if people categorised all "patriots" as racist.

You'd might as well make Reform's buzz phrase "Just get on with it". But remember, when they've finished with the things you don't want/like, they'll start on the things where you personally may well be affected.

I really hope you don't have grandkids that are in anyway anything other than your view of normal, or want to marry an immigrant or someone with other health issues, because the reaction from granddad won't be nice will it.

I'm sure all who contribute on here have noticed your absence for the last few weeks, but it's also very noticeable that your postings have become far less balanced since your return. Is everything OK, because if not I'm sure there's help available for you out there, but a warning, it may involve interaction with someone from a minority group.
 
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ono said:
It depends where you live. If you live in a very deprived small town like me in the North East that has taken approx 12,000 migrants - the majority who have settled across a relatively small number of central wards, yes it is. It massively changes the demographics of the town, puts a huge strain on services, creates a huge demand on the rental market which drives rental prices up (particularly as a proportion of the migrants are students) and generally speaking makes people feel less connected and less safe.

In the past, I would view that feeling as unjustified, but in the past 4 years or so I have caught a migrant male stood on my drive way at 4am, had a migrant male break into my in-laws neighbour and sexually assault her (after knocking on my inlaws door beforehand), had a migrant male follow my gf and daughter home swinging a pool cue round his head while screaming, and a migrant male arrested on my street for pulling a blade out on some little kids (who to be fair, might have been gobshites). No idea if my experience is an outlier or not.
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any crime esp burglary/sexual offences are horrific for the victim.

however, I'd point out that your post seems to highlight the impact of lack of investment in public services, lack of investment in mental health services and lack of investment in housing as much as anything.

of course I don't know the crime stats in your area-but I'd say that those crimes would have been committed in much greater numbers by white folks.
 
Chippy_boy said:
But it isn't is it. Do you want your your 8 year old being told its' OK if he want to become a woman? I do not. Do you want companies blocking hiring of the most capable white male in favour of a less capable trans black "woman"? I don't want that either. Do you want people who could work choosing not to because they have been kidded into thinking that being stressed is not normal part of human life? Nope. Don't want that either. People being arrested because they said something that upset someone? FFS. How about not being able to send people to prison because there's no-one to feed their cat?

It's ALL fucking bollocks mate and all of it must stop. Thankfully, in less than 4 years now, it WILL stop.
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tiny obscure examples blown out of proportion, the same tactics MAGA uses.
 
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