The Labour Government

Saddleworth2 said:
Yes. Both parties led by dishonest grifters and should be unelectable (do we never bloody learn). Labours leader just weak but I think in the main more honest and more competent. Don't know much about the new Green leader but he may be worth looking at. SNP (who I am a member of) have too few truly competent people and will probably continue in government in Scotland but fail dismally at their intended purpose. Bloody hell we are in a bad way.
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No leader will satisfy, Starmer on the world stage holds a solid presence , seems to have a good relations with pretty much every world leader including the fat orange ****, seems calm and measured and holds his own at the dispatch box. Much rather that than the bumbling oaf we’ve had before and all the rest of the ridiculous Tory leaders.
 
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The Northern Baptist said:
Yes you’d think so wouldn’t you! The main purpose should be removing one of the barriers to get people into work.

I do find the framing of the scheme in this Dept for Education video very odd.

Not a single person says it means they can get to work on time or means they are able to increase their hours with additional wrap around care.

“You’re rushing, you forget if they’ve eaten” says the women who looks like she’s never forgotten to eat a meal.


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The ministers have defiantly said it means people can increase hours when they have spoken about it on tv. Whoever is asking the question is a bit dim. It doesn’t take half an hour to do toast ! And it takes long to drive kids to school ! But by taking them to breakfast club you can start work on time. What
domalino said:
Doesn’t look great though does it, your former leader being sent to prison for selling out the country?

Plus big Nige has his history of blaming anyone except Russia for the Ukraine war, and then the whole Aaron Banks Ural properties and meeting Russian agents before Brexit thing and GB News constantly getting linked to Russian money and putting out Kremlin friendly opinions.

Oh and wasn’t it just this morning it turned out one of their biggest donors was getting his money from a Kremlin backed cryptocurrency?

www.theguardian.com

Cryptocurrency backed by Farage donor is used for Russian war effort, investigators say

Tether tokens found to facilitate scheme that enables sanctions evasion and launders money for the Kremlin
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

Just keeps following Farage around doesn’t it.

But I’m sure you’re right, it’s nothing.
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not party related but but Russian bots backed Brexit. Moggs investment funds invested in Russia. That Tory MP with the polish last name who backed Brexit had gold mines in Russia
 
BlueHammer85 said:
No leader will satisfy, Starmer on the world stage holds a solid presence , seems to have a good relations with pretty much every world leader including the fat orange ****, seems calm and measured and holds his own at the dispatch box. Much rather that than the bumbling oaf we’ve had before and all the rest of the ridiculous Tory leaders.
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I partially agree but no competent labour would be making the political errors he is making. I have less problems with him than I do Reeves who should be nowhere near that job. However his leadership has also to be judged on the team he picks to run his government. And before you jump in about Reeves, I have knowledge of her that I won't divulge on here.
 
metalblue said:
The tories brought in the NSPB via Family Action that by 2024 was delivering 370,000 breakfasts a day in over 2,500 schools for a cost of £16m a year. Labour then closed the NSBP to new applications introducing their own scheme and adding 750 schools for an additional £17m a year to deliver 140,000 additional breakfasts a day.

Imaging shutting down a programme that was twice as effective and thinking that’s progress.

Still the Labour fan club lap it up as something brand new and revolutionary.

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Obviously it's neither new nor revolutionary but is it a better scheme (and therefore likely to be more expensive)? If it's a better scheme, why would you keep the old scheme open?

I suspect you didn't get those figures (£16m and £17m) by your own research so what's your source? *

I admit I'm baffled by the various numbers for "early adopters", the test / pilot scheme, for applications for last April, next April and next September (and a DfT notice this week that talks about what will happen in April 2025). It certainly doesn’t help when Labour uses the words "are delivering" in the sense of "have now made the provision - but food will only be on the plate next year". The key difference is the aim that all schools will offer provision to all pupils not just in deprived areas.

Some schools have dropped out of the pilot scheme but in the end they'll be competing with schools that are offering a breakfast club (with the proven benefits for pupils' attention in class).


* It wasn't Chris Philp on GB News, was it?
 
Saddleworth2 said:
I partially agree but no competent labour would be making the political errors he is making. I have less problems with him than I do Reeves who should be nowhere near that job. However his leadership has also to be judged on the team he picks to run his government. And before you jump in about Reeves, I have knowledge of her that I won't divulge on here.
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Collar and Cuff type knowledge :)
 
Saddleworth2 said:
I partially agree but no competent labour would be making the political errors he is making. I have less problems with him than I do Reeves who should be nowhere near that job. However his leadership has also to be judged on the team he picks to run his government. And before you jump in about Reeves, I have knowledge of her that I won't divulge on here.
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PM is an impossible job to please all.
What major political errors has he made?
 
BlueHammer85 said:
PM is an impossible job to please all.
What major political errors has he made?
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briefing that his leadership was under threat? allowing a u turn on income tax in the forthcoming budget? U turn on benefits cuts? Various PR mistakes? I have already told you I consider him far superior to anything the Tory's or Reform could put up but even the most blinkered supporter must see that his first year has contained a number of unnecessary mistakes. The country is in a appalling financial state yet he/they are still concerned at the optics rather than being truthful about what we need to do and getting on with doing it.
 
metalblue said:
Appreciate you appreciating it mate!

Milk pricing on the supermarket shelf for me is as (if not more) dependent on oil and energy costs - cost to process, transport and even the plastic containers it comes in are all impacted by those two things. If they drop along with the farmgate price then we may see a reduction in milk prices on the shelf, it’ll be offset by something else being more expensive, ie we will continue to have inflation - which is great for government debt as it erodes it overtime if you can convince the market to lend you money at a lower % than inflation and a key ingredient for growth.
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Really?

The packaging and transport costs must be a fraction of the actual cost of the milk, and won't fluctuate like the market price of the milk (down 20% in two months according to 'The Grocer'). https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/news/fa...-again-as-oversupply-continues/711555.article

The simple explanation to my original question is retailers creaming off milk for profits.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
How about Rwanda and her migration policy?
Her own heritage?

Google is your friend mate.
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You’re confusing stupidity with dishonesty mate ;)

I don’t ever see her being PM, she would be the first leader to ever take over a party after they lose an election and win the next one. There is no evidence to suggest that she is going to change that trend.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
briefing that his leadership was under threat? allowing a u turn on income tax in the forthcoming budget? U turn on benefits cuts? Various PR mistakes? I have already told you I consider him far superior to anything the Tory's or Reform could put up but even the most blinkered supporter must see that his first year has contained a number of unnecessary mistakes. The country is in a appalling financial state yet he/they are still concerned at the optics rather than being truthful about what we need to do and getting on with doing it.
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Yup…Being led not leading
 
Vic said:
Really?

The packaging and transport costs must be a fraction of the actual cost of the milk, and won't fluctuate like the market price of the milk (down 20% in two months according to 'The Grocer'). https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/news/fa...-again-as-oversupply-continues/711555.article

The simple explanation to my original question is retailers creaming off milk for profits.
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I didn’t check and went off my own instincts of a few pennies off a litre of milk can soon be swallowed, and the some, in the energy and oil costs as they are a multiplier in the processing and transport parts of the supply chain.

I may well be wide of the mark so happy to be corrected
 
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