The Labour Government

Jeez man spare the faux outrage it was a throwaway line. Any minimum wage job. They’re paid too much. Aside from economic considerations salary bunching acts as a disincentive to make the sacrifices needed to strive for promotion or a better job elsewhere.

Out of interest, what do you do yourself? I’m struggling how anyone can think at a time when we’ve got ever growing wealth disparity and concentration of wealth at the top end that people on minimum wage are paid too much.
 
I watched a documentary on the fall of civilisations yesterday. It was about Rome.

Reasons Rome fell:
  • wealth inequality
  • super rich not paying enough into treasury coffers
  • mistreatment of migrants
  • poor, complacent leadership
  • underestimating military threat
  • political infighting
Egypt, Aztecs and Samurai Japan next. I'm taking a wild guess that some of the reasons will be consistent for those three.

All sounds kinda familiar.
 

This is the first thing I came across disputing the number on loss of gdp. He's an independent economist(is anyone?) Who writes for the Telegraph so obviously will be dismissed by remainers. Im not an economist as most arent. So whether people just dismiss it or read it is up to them. People struggle to get past the author and therefore will not entertain anything they write.

But anyhow I look at where we are as a country in Europe compared to Germany and France, they feel like the best countries to compare with. Before brexit during the aftermath and up to 2025 its been Germany a bit better than the UK and the UK a bit better than France. If we have comiited such a large own goal of epic proportions this seems odd. It also doesnt help when previous figures have proved to be wrong. If it was a faulty calculation last time why is this one right or accurate.There is also stats saying we have outperformed countries since brexit but I wouldn't put that down to brexit.

So no we dont all agree and I dont believe never leaving or rejoining would have/will considerably alleviate our problems. That's even before we consider if gdp is a good indicator of a countries well being.

I didn't even vote with the economy as a priority.

Anyhow I judge myself for being dragged into brexit debates:-)
I'm not sure a direct comparison to Germany, France or any other EU member is sensible though. EVERY UK business that trades with the EU has suffered from increased costs and paperwork just to stand still. The same is not the case for EU based businesses in that only, and being simplistic, only a 27th of their business has been subject to those increased costs. I hope you get my point.

We know that, like much of the developed world, the EU has suffered from sluggish growth as a bloc, but it is still a fact that 52% decided to make it much harder for UK businesses to trade with the biggest trading bloc on the planet.
 
Jeez man spare the faux outrage it was a throwaway line. Any minimum wage job. They’re paid too much. Aside from economic considerations salary bunching acts as a disincentive to make the sacrifices needed to strive for promotion or a better job elsewhere.
This has to be a wind up but if not, I bet you're a hoot to know. Any minimum wage job is effectively worthless and unnecessary to you then. Care workers, street cleaners, hotel staff...all worthless. No doubt you have no cause to use any of those types of workers.
 
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Jeez man spare the faux outrage it was a throwaway line. Any minimum wage job. They’re paid too much. Aside from economic considerations salary bunching acts as a disincentive to make the sacrifices needed to strive for promotion or a better job elsewhere.

So just for clarity, are you saying the large number of people in the care sector on or around minimum wage are paid too much?
 
What's an ordinary job

Retail workers / shop staff / cashiers / checkout operatorsOften in lower pay brackets — on weekly pay tables from previous ONS data such roles (e.g. “retail cashiers and check-out operators”) had gross weekly pay among the lower earners. Wikipedia+1
Care workers / care assistants / support workers / warehouse operatives / administrative assistantsFrequently in the ~£20,000–£30,000/year range for full-time work. Ciphr+1
Warehouse staff / manual labour / “elementary services” / catering assistants / kitchen / catering staff / cleaners / domestics / hospitality staff (waiting, bar work, etc.)Generally among the lower-paid occupations. According older ONS pay tables such as “kitchen and catering assistants,” “hairdressers and barbers”, “waiters/waitresses” — these roles were listed among the lowest weekly gross pay categories. Wikipedia+1
Mid–level common roles (e.g. LGV driver, retail manager, book-keeper, some clerical/admin jobs)
 
Retail workers / shop staff / cashiers / checkout operatorsOften in lower pay brackets — on weekly pay tables from previous ONS data such roles (e.g. “retail cashiers and check-out operators”) had gross weekly pay among the lower earners. Wikipedia+1
Care workers / care assistants / support workers / warehouse operatives / administrative assistantsFrequently in the ~£20,000–£30,000/year range for full-time work. Ciphr+1
Warehouse staff / manual labour / “elementary services” / catering assistants / kitchen / catering staff / cleaners / domestics / hospitality staff (waiting, bar work, etc.)Generally among the lower-paid occupations. According older ONS pay tables such as “kitchen and catering assistants,” “hairdressers and barbers”, “waiters/waitresses” — these roles were listed among the lowest weekly gross pay categories. Wikipedia+1
Mid–level common roles (e.g. LGV driver, retail manager, book-keeper, some clerical/admin jobs)
All overpaid and many of them not really necessary according to Axel
 
It's coming to a sad state of affairs when a Government gets elected on the basis of a protest vote. And then they're in danger of being ousted by another protest vote. Smacks of no fucker actually knowing what to do.
 
Retail workers / shop staff / cashiers / checkout operatorsOften in lower pay brackets — on weekly pay tables from previous ONS data such roles (e.g. “retail cashiers and check-out operators”) had gross weekly pay among the lower earners. Wikipedia+1
Care workers / care assistants / support workers / warehouse operatives / administrative assistantsFrequently in the ~£20,000–£30,000/year range for full-time work. Ciphr+1
Warehouse staff / manual labour / “elementary services” / catering assistants / kitchen / catering staff / cleaners / domestics / hospitality staff (waiting, bar work, etc.)Generally among the lower-paid occupations. According older ONS pay tables such as “kitchen and catering assistants,” “hairdressers and barbers”, “waiters/waitresses” — these roles were listed among the lowest weekly gross pay categories. Wikipedia+1
Mid–level common roles (e.g. LGV driver, retail manager, book-keeper, some clerical/admin jobs)
how may of our MPs have done those jobs, bearing in mind you said the vast amount have?
 
Stewards at City
If them low paid goon stewards all quit today, none of us would be going to the match on saturday.
Some other low paid goons stack the shelves in the supermarket you buy from, clean your street so you aren't infested with rats and work in the facotries making the food and household items you are constantly buying.

If we didn't have these 'low paid goons', your life would be a lot worse.
 
Reeves should have jumped over to Badenoch and twatted fuck out of her. Badenoch is an abusive Tory cowbag.

Yeah that's me being abusive.
This, she is the only woman i have ever seen using mysogony (sp) against another woman, what a disgusting cuntish thing to do,i wonder what her view is about tate and co, women have to have each others backs on this all and every time, disgusting bitch

I think taking kids out of poverty is right albeit expensive, hopefully less people will be using food banks, the tories dont own them being created and pushed millions of people to have to use them thanks to cameron and osbourne and the tory **** would reverse that move

I dont have my own kids( thank god ) but i have never said kids should not be looked after by my tax going to them, it is not there fault they are born

I heard Rachel say in interviews after that they are going to make pips harder to get so it sounds like she wants more face to face assessments, i get assessed every three yrs which is fine albeit it is a horrible and demeaning thing to go through, my last one i was assessed by an ex paramedic with four weeks training, drs dont do them these days, the one before covid was an ex health visitor, there is so much about pips that people dont understand

I am about to look at taking a couple of small pensions, i was going to keep it for a bit longer but as i found out this year you can die when you least expect it! I am not destined for a long life and i hope that is the case so i might as well have better comforts than i have now, i might have to pay tax again so i need to take proper advice, i am not a selfish bitch so if i need to pay tax i wont begrudge it too much

That is my limit on thinking today !
 
Well I did say Brexit isn't the only issue!

For the record here is my voting record in the past quarter of a century:

2001 - Labour
2005 - Didn't get to vote as I'd just moved house and even though it was less than half a mile down the road and in the same constituency I had no idea that I had to re-register until it was too late!
2010 - Conservative
2015 - Lib Dem
2017 - Lib Dem
2019 - Scrawled NONE across my ballot paper as none of the main parties filled me with confidence and I was fucked if I was going to vote for Frog Face's Brexit Party. In hindsight I should've voted for your lot as it was unfair to tar them with the same brush as the others
2024 - Labour
Fair play on 15 and 17 :-)
 

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