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metalblue said:
Shame this

www.reuters.com

Britain says talks to join EU defence fund have broken down

Britain said on Friday that talks to join the European Union's defence fund SAFE have broken down, in a setback for a much-vaunted post-Brexit reset of relations aimed at strengthening Europe's defence.
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Being reported in other sources that the French demands, including the size of the UK's entry fee, were what saw the negotiations collapse. If that's the case seems a bit short sighted given the pressure Europe is under from both the east and west.
 
threespires said:
Being reported in other sources that the French demands, including the size of the UK's entry fee, were what saw the negotiations collapse. If that's the case seems a bit short sighted given the pressure Europe is under from both the east and west.
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Would fully agree. A governments first responsibility is the protection of its people, we should be pooling our resources with our European friends and if that takes a few extra billion then that’s what it takes.
 
Palerider said:
Your Dad appears to be a visionary. It appears that you cannot take the "fight or flight" instinct out of human beings and ultimately they all go for self preservation over the greater good.
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As it happens, I was earlier contemplating whether "hive mind" was always pejorative, and an insult to bees.
 
Reading this thread people seem surprised that our politicians are generally useless across the board. Why would anyone who is exceptional at anything want to be the PM when they only get paid £180k or an MP getting £90k. Granted these are superb wages in the context of the average person, but who would realistically want to have the scrutiny and bullshit that comes with these roles for that wage? That’s why we are left with a load of plebs who would ordinarily be in below average roles in a normal organisation not the very top talent that are running successful businesses and earning ten times that for less hassle.
 
True_Blue69 said:
Reading this thread people seem surprised that our politicians are generally useless across the board. Why would anyone who is exceptional at anything want to be the PM when they only get paid £180k or an MP getting £90k. Granted these are superb wages in the context of the average person, but who would realistically want to have the scrutiny and bullshit that comes with these roles for that wage? That’s why we are left with a load of plebs who would ordinarily be in below average roles in a normal organisation not the very top talent that are running successful businesses and earning ten times that for less hassle.
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Starmer has been worked in criminal defence, prosecution and law all his life and headed the CPS. leading to a knighthood. but he is casually labelled a 'pleb' ... maybe it's the public that constantly berate and slag off every single MP no matter their upbringing and background that is the problem.
 
hilts said:
You didn't bother with my post, like I said it would be ignored by remainers, no view on why we arent falling behind, either, being right is a curse:-)
Your mind is made up fella, you dont really want discussion you are permanently campaigning.
I gave an economists view, there are stats on gdp and growth.
You gave your nephew. Don't try the poor me bit.
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Funny because most economists thought Brexit was a bad idea and and still do the models show what was it 4 / 8 % cut in growth over what 10
Year period
 
Vic said:
As it happens, I was earlier contemplating whether "hive mind" was always pejorative, and an insult to bees.
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Slightly off subject. But do you remember those old (real) films of mass numbers of Girl Guides fainting at conventions? It turned out that it wasn't food poisoning, lack of oxygen etc. It was good old hysteria, the girls acted and behaved in a way that they thought was correct at the time. So they saw someone faint and then another and then another and then they all started fainting. We are bizarre creatures and human reactions and behaviour is often a thing of wonder but also often an ugly bafflement.
 
metalblue said:
Would fully agree. A governments first responsibility is the protection of its people, we should be pooling our resources with our European friends and if that takes a few extra billion then that’s what it takes.
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threespires said:
Being reported in other sources that the French demands, including the size of the UK's entry fee, were what saw the negotiations collapse. If that's the case seems a bit short sighted given the pressure Europe is under from both the east and west.
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The EU would be pretty stupid to exclude the 2nd biggest defence spender in Europe from a European defence fund.

I suspect this is all just posturing, I guess we'll find out how "final" the final deadline on Sunday is.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
France has agreed to start intercepting small boats in the Channel, following months of pressure from the UK.

The change in policy comes after Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer wrote to President Emmanuel Macron urging him to back the plan and saying we currently "have no effective deterrent" in the Channel, according to a report in Le Monde, external.

French security forces will be allowed to stop the small boats at sea, but only before they've picked up their passengers, the maritime police force has confirmed to the BBC.

French police have rarely intervened to stop the overcrowded boats leaving the coastline because it is considered too great a risk to both officers and civilians.
Le Monde reported Sir Keir's letter as reading: "It is essential that we deploy these tactics this month... We have no effective deterrent in the Channel."

Now, a French maritime police spokesperson says officers will start intervening at sea, with the aim of safeguarding human life.
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FFS, just how gullible are some people. Why have we paid the french half a billion quid.
 
maxwellblue said:
There is nothing positive, unless you are bone idle and in the country illegally. You keep telling yourself that all is good.
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Labour are cracking down on migration, crossings and sorting out the backlog the Tories left behind, you'd think some Farage Flag shagging cunts would be quite happy about that or at the least give the constant moaning a rest for a few weeks but alas, there is no pleasing the far right ever, nothing is enough until Farage or ol' Tommy is in power.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Labour are cracking down on migration, crossings and sorting out the backlog the Tories left behind, you'd think some Farage Flag shagging cunts would be quite happy about that or at the least give the constant moaning a rest for a few weeks but alas, there is no pleasing the far right ever, nothing is enough until Farage or ol' Tommy is in power.
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They're cracking down on jack shit,only thing they are good at is pulling the wool over the eyes of gullible halfwits and extorting money from hard working people and giving it to the bone idle and those that have no place to be here.
 
maxwellblue said:
They're cracking down on jack shit,only thing they are good at is pulling the wool over the eyes of gullible halfwits and extorting money from hard working people and giving it to the bone idle and those that have no place to be here.
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And of course the letter from the OBR today confirms that Reeves has been even more dishonest than was previously appreciated.

Of course she still needed to raise taxes to some extent because the spending projections from 2028 onwards are a work of fiction, and there’s no way they’ll be able to stick to them. But Reeves deliberately misled the public in order to set the ground for tax rises to fund another welfare giveaway. And all to try to save her and Starmer’s necks by buying off the backbenchers. Disgraceful.

Her dishonesty seemingly knows no bounds.
 
Brewster's millions said:
And of course the letter from the OBR today confirms that Reeves has been even more dishonest than was previously appreciated.

Of course she still needed to raise taxes to some extent because the spending projections from 2028 onwards are a work of fiction, and there’s no way they’ll be able to stick to them. But Reeves deliberately misled the public in order to set the ground for tax rises to fund another welfare giveaway. And all to try to save her and Starmer’s necks by buying off the backbenchers. Disgraceful.

Her dishonesty seemingly knows no bounds.
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Was just reading this. Pretty damaging.
 
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