The Labour Government

[The Future’s Blue!]

all that comes under one thing 'national debt' are the migrants free? do they wave a fucking wond and hey presto bill paid, its a fiscal fact get over it

I get it, you don’t want migrants, and in a perfect world, there’d be none. However, the reality is that we have, for eternity, had to deal with migrants. The question has always been, how do we do it?

I have no need to ‘get over it’ as I’m not the one complaining. Personally, I accept the issue and can only ask the government of the time to put measures in place to deal with it. My only hope is that it’s done in a civilised manner.

 

[Palerider]

Bad week for Labour who seem to be trying to spin lying into a virtue. Big week though for the Tories with a divisive but very effective Badenoch seemingly returning from the grave. Be interesting how the Greens get on now that Corbyns very decisive Your party have made a decision on their name (or not), maybe, possibly, can we vote on it, oh God let's have protest on names to show how much we care. Reform are a passing fad.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

I did wonder mate, thought maybe it was a back from pub post ;)

I can’t go in to all the details but the treasury was working on raising £30bn, that was the envelope requested. Those options presented as some baskets including things like income tax raises were leaked to the media pretty much throughout the process.

The main question being levelled with this OBR is did she mislead markets and that is a serious allegation.

Fully understand the background and, as we are all now aware, it has now been confirmed by the OBR that the deficit restricted as we got closer to the budget, so things changed.

I may have been one of those lucky ones who got to listen to one of the top economic experts (can’t remember his name but think I mentioned it on here when the rise in income tax was being debated). He specifically stated that Reeves had seen a closing of the deficit and that she was in a good place, and would probably now look at other options to further support public services and cut debt.

And that kicks in to what the markets actually knew and if she misled them. Well, if the bloke I listened to knew then I’d suggest many of the experts and business leaders knew as well. My question would be why didn’t all the media outlets who created a furore, have any of this information? It was as if somebody like Peston got told something by the cleaner in No 11 that they were taking about ‘Income Tax’ and then just ran with it.

I don’t see myself as an economic expert but I do listen to those that are. Just wondering why the media went into such a frenzy as there hasn’t been any confirmation from them who actually leaked the incorrect detail.

 

[maxwellblue]

So who are the bone idle that the tax rises are funding?

Are you suggesting that everyone on benefits is deserving of them.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

You have to remember just how clever these guys are, mate.

Throw in a dash of the comical Ali and everything is always on plan and as designed.

Well, I’m obviously not as clever as you. But, I don’t mind, I’m not the one running the country.

As for the plan, I’m still to see the what the overarching one is. Be helpful if you gave us all a heads-up instead of just throwing glib quips at people. Brings nothing to the debate.

 

[WRicko]

Fully understand the background and, as we are all now aware, it has now been confirmed by the OBR that the deficit restricted as we got closer to the budget, so things changed.

I may have been one of those lucky ones who got to listen to one of the top economic experts (can’t remember his name but think I mentioned it on here when the rise in income tax was being debated). He specifically stated that Reeves had seen a closing of the deficit and that she was in a good place, and would probably now look at other options to further support public services and cut debt.

And that kicks in to what the markets actually knew and if she misled them. Well, if the bloke I listened to knew then I’d suggest many of the experts and business leaders knew as well. My question would be why didn’t all the media outlets who created a furore, have any of this information? It was as if somebody like Peston got told something by the cleaner in No 11 that they were taking about ‘Income Tax’ and then just ran with it.

I don’t see myself as an economic expert but I do listen to those that are. Just wondering why the media went into such a frenzy as there hasn’t been any confirmation from them who actually leaked the incorrect detail.

Did Reeves even say income tax would go up ? No. Tax rises I guess so but could have meant freezing rates. Maybe they had last minute ideas on how to change the budget from income tax up to new taxes mansion tax, EVs, Freezing rates etc ?

 

[WRicko]

There is nothing positive, unless you are bone idle and in the country illegally. You keep telling yourself that all is good.

Hotels closed, deportations up, deal with France, France agreeing to intercept, taxi rides banned, new none hotel sites coming online, and very restrictive new rules on settled status asylum and access to benefits etc.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Did Reeves even say income tax would go up ? No. Tax rises I guess so but could have meant freezing rates. Maybe they had last minute ideas on how to change the budget from income tax up to new taxes mansion tax, EVs, Freezing rates etc ?

No, and I think that was my point. Rightly, the government have stated that they would neither confirm or deny any rumours on the budget and would not get into ‘tittle-tattle’.

Overall, I see no issues with the budget and it will take us all to turn this ship around. I get that we all have to pay a little more and me more than some, less than others. Just something I think we have to accept after the last couple of decades of economic destabilisation due to a number of world and UK events.

 

[Norbert D]

The UK ranks as one of the bottom of the advanced OECD countries when it comes to benefits.
Having a safety net for less fortunate is usually seen as the sign of an advanced civilisation.

It’s because of years of right wing media propaganda that the poor are seen as the ones to blame for all societies woes. It’s a distraction, we are a very wealthy country, we just need the rich to pay their way.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

The rhetoric has gone from she’ll be lucky to last the week to she should be fired immediately.

Social media experts. They really do know best,

 

[blueinsa]

Well, I’m obviously not as clever as you. But, I don’t mind, I’m not the one running the country.

As for the plan, I’m still to see the what the overarching one is. Be helpful if you gave us all a heads-up instead of just throwing glib quips at people. Brings nothing to the debate.

The plan seems to be based on gaslighting the public and basically telling lies so they can offer what is nothing more than a political bribe to their own backbenchers in the hope it saves their own arses.

Some call it out, others applaud it like sea lions at the circus.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

The plan seems to be based on gaslighting the public and basically telling lies so they can offer what is nothing more than a political bribe to their own backbenchers in the hope it saves their own arses.

Some call it out, others applaud it like sea lions at the circus.

That’s some expert critique on what is going on in this country, I’ll take it onboard.

Thank you for calling whatever you said, out.

 

[Brewster's millions]

No, and I think that was my point. Rightly, the government have stated that they would neither confirm or deny any rumours on the budget and would not get into ‘tittle-tattle’.

Overall, I see no issues with the budget and it will take us all to turn this ship around. I get that we all have to pay a little more and me more than some, less than others. Just something I think we have to accept after the last couple of decades of economic destabilisation due to a number of world and UK events.

You’re happy with Reeves deliberately lying to the media then, stating that investment would need to be significantly reduced without tax rises?

A straight up lie and you’re making excuses for it.

 

[Vic]

Step away from the migrant bollox. Yes, it costs, but there is far more to do to ensure our future children have some form of social contract and not paying for our failures.

Defence, NHS, education, national debt, it all needs sorting.

It may be far more to do with how we pay for the really open-ended bit of "benefits" - how long we're all living. I've used it before but...

The NHS is in crisis. Why? Because we're all living so long. Why are we living so long? Because of the NHS.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

The rhetoric has gone from she’ll be lucky to last the week to she should be fired immediately.

Social media experts. They really do know best,

Why should Reeves be fired? She put a budget together, delivered it without any problems for the markets and made no incendiary moves that could spook the majority of people.

In fact, it was quite benign and the only people that are shouting are those who are supposed to.

Although, watching the news for 10 minutes, I now see that it’s the publicans who are now complaining.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Why should Reeves be fired? She put a budget together, delivered it without any problems for the markets and made no incendiary moves that could spook the majority of people.

In fact, it was quite benign and the only people that are shouting are those who are supposed to.

Although, watching the news for 10 minutes, I now see that it’s the publicans who are now complaining.

I’m not the one advocating absolutely waffle based on a very skewed perspective.

There’s little point debating with them. This is a safe space for them to say the same things over and over again to garner 3 likes of their clique.

We’ve had a month of inflamed rhetoric on the budget based on vibes. There was then a 36 hour hiatus as the new attack line was drawn.

Shout too much and people stop listening.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

You’re happy with Reeves deliberately lying to the media then, stating that investment would need to be significantly reduced without tax rises?

A straight up lie and you’re making excuses for it.

I’m not making excuses, where did she lie?

Do you know the plan for investment and the costs involved?

We’re at a point where our public services need investment, and turn around the austerity and mismanagement of public services. That costs, and although you personally don’t want to support these measures, I do. I want to see public services support the next generations, giving them a decent start in life, covering their educational needs, supporting them where needed throughout life, and giving them dignity in their later years.

I see that as fundamental to a decent society, and without it, you get where we were only a couple of years back.

 

[Norbert D]

Why should Reeves be fired? She put a budget together, delivered it without any problems for the markets and made no incendiary moves that could spook the majority of people.

In fact, it was quite benign and the only people that are shouting are those who are supposed to.

Although, watching the news for 10 minutes, I now see that it’s the publicans who are now complaining.

The ones complaining the loudest are the ones who’ve done the most damage especially with Brexit, that alone costs us £90,000,000,000 a year in lost tax revenue. Put that on the side of your bus!

 

[mosssideblue]

Are you suggesting that everyone on benefits is deserving of them.

Nice back track. You dug a hole with your stupid comment. Kudos for now accepting that

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

I’m not the one advocating absolutely waffle based on a very skewed perspective.

There’s little point debating with them. This is a safe space for them to say the same things over and over again to garner 3 likes of their clique.

We’ve had a month of inflamed rhetoric on the budget based on vibes. There was then a 36 hour hiatus as the new attack line was drawn.

Shout too much and people stop listening.

To be fair, I’ve stopped listening as it’s become quite clear that it’s not about the country, it’s now just about who can shout the loudest on their specific issue.

Easier to drive past many of the arguments as they have no substance, just bluster for the sake of it.