The Labour Party

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

And since people working productively, privately is a key part of the equation, policies which damage that, are a bad idea. Policies which discourage hiring more people. Policies which cause businesses to favour investing in other countries, rather than our own. Policies which make the goods we sell more expensive, less competitive and therefore policies which depress sales.

None of this is sensible, is it.

But anyway, the theory is one thing, the empirical evidence is another. Show me a successful Marxist economy. The policies McDonnell would prefer. In fact show me a Labour administration which lowered unemployment over their term in office.

try Norway , (happiest country in the world) ,Finland and Sweden as examples of Democratic Socialism ...

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

What's wrong with that?

Nothing at all. Now if they could just make a decent cup of coffee I'd be happy.
These robots are crap baristas.

 

[Blue Hefner]

What's wrong with that?

Nothing. It wasn’t a criticism. It was about looking at concrete future strategies rather than “taxing the rich” and other such soundbites - Labour need to be realistically proactive, as does every party

 

[aguero93:20]

Nothing at all. Now if they could just make a decent cup of coffee I'd be happy.
These robots are crap baristas.

Never going to happen. You can make good coffee or mass produced identical coffee, they're mutually exclusive.

 

[Chippy_boy]

try Norway , (happiest country in the world) ,Finland and Sweden as examples of Democratic Socialism ...

None of which are in any way comparable to the UK. Norway has more oil revenue per capita than Saudi Arabia, which I guess helps a bit. I don't happen to know much about Finland, but looking it up, I find the biggest political party there (The Centre Party, with 49 MPs) are conservatives!

And regards Sweden - a very successful economy by all accounts, this is what they have to say about *themselves*:

"an example of how to optimise market capitalism"

"Since the crisis of the 1990s, successive Swedish governments have succeeded in maintaining control over public spending"

"While Sweden remains a relatively highly taxed economy, the centre–right coalition government of 2006–2014 scrapped inheritance tax in 2005 and a wealth tax in 2007"

"A key feature of the Swedish economy is its openness and liberal approach to trade and doing business."

https://sweden.se/business/how-sweden-created-a-model-economy/

Sounds like they adopted the fiscally prudent, pro-business agenda I was talking about!

 

[Blue Hefner]

Should the Leader Of The Opposition be tweeting stuff like this or should he(his social media output team) keep quiet?

 

[urban genie]

Should the Leader Of The Opposition be tweeting stuff like this or should he(his social media output team) keep quiet?

If he believes it why not?

 

[Blue Hefner]

If he believes it why not?

Because he’s LOTO and I don’t think ‘beliefs’ should come into it. It’s a matter for the courts now so trying to drum up support via twitter on a very complex issue should be beneath him - it appears very Trump. I accept Corbyn follows a Trump model I.e preaching to the converted, but I rather he didn’t

 

[urban genie]

Because he’s LOTO and I don’t think ‘beliefs’ should come into it. It’s a matter for the courts now so trying to drum up support via twitter on a very complex issue should be beneath him - it appears very Trump. I accept Corbyn follows a Trump model I.e preaching to the converted, but I rather he didn’t

But across the diapatch box he could call for the government to intervene in the extraditon in a political context, he has been areested waiting extradition at another coutries request, so it is a political matter as well as legal and in the remit of the LOTO

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Because he’s LOTO and I don’t think ‘beliefs’ should come into it. It’s a matter for the courts now so trying to drum up support via twitter on a very complex issue should be beneath him - it appears very Trump. I accept Corbyn follows a Trump model I.e preaching to the converted, but I rather he didn’t

I think they should all be banned from Twatter.
It’s no way for any politician to conduct business and I don’t care how old fashioned that sounds.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Should the Leader Of The Opposition be tweeting stuff like this or should he(his social media output team) keep quiet?

Tbh, on this occasion, as the deal with our government was that he will not be extradited to any countty which has the death penalty, then I think he's entitled to make the point.

 

[Blue Hefner]

Tbh, on this occasion, as the deal with our government was that he will not be extradited to any countty which has the death penalty, then I think he's entitled to make the point.

From my (limited) understanding, it’s not about a country which *has* the death penalty but more to do with will his alleged crimes result in torcher and/or the death penalty - a subtle but significant difference. But like I say, I have a limited understanding and overall interest

 

[Blue Hefner]

But across the diapatch box he could call for the government to intervene in the extraditon in a political context, he has been areested waiting extradition at another coutries request, so it is a political matter as well as legal and in the remit of the LOTO

Whilst he has the right to agree/disagree with anything the government does(like the rest of us) I would prefer he kept it to the more official and accountable channels - if he has something to say, say it in person

 

[KS55]

I doubt he could be extradited for ' exposing atrocities '. How he got the info is more the point.. US would have to satisfy the English court that there was a prima facie case that he committed a crime subject to US jurisdiction and that the actus reus would be a crime here.

 

[Blue Hefner]

 

[MillionMilesAway]

How is this not anti-Semitic? Labour's own adopted IHRA guidelines state:

Making mendacious, dehumanising, demonising, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.

Based on the tweet, "Israeli intelligence" doesn't equate to "Jews" surely - it refers to government action.
It is permissible, as I understand it, to criticise the Israeli government.

 

[Mike D]

Maybe Jess Phillips needs to read things before she opened her stupid mouth. Corbyn said he opposes the extradition to US for exposing US war crimes nothing. Oh and the rape case has been dropped so why mention its innocent until proven guilty in this country my dear!!

 

[inbetween]

Based on the tweet, "Israeli intelligence" doesn't equate to "Jews" surely - it refers to government action.

It is permissible, as I understand it, to criticise the Israeli government.

You cannot criticize the Israeli government for something that is not true and cannot be proven to have happened.

The reason it was used is due to the common racial stereotype and nutty conspiracy theory that Jewish people are said to be part of some new world order which is behind everything in the absence of any evidence. See the parallels?

So it might seem to be a criticism of Israel but actually given there is no evidence then the only basis to making that claim comes from the anti-semitic stereotype. This is why the IHRA adopted a rule against it.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

I think Corbyn and Abbot are getting themselves on the wrong end of this argument. Playing to their narrow base.

Assange over steps the mark as he is complicit in the theft of data, he solicits stolen data or acts as a conduit for data stolen by others including Russian hackers. These are criminal acts and journalism is not a pass to get away with such criminality. If Russia offers you stolen data from the US government the responsible thing to do is to report that to intelligence services not dump it wholesale on the internet inclusive of personal details. That is sabotage not journalism. The fact it was very clearly co-ordinated with the Russian support of the Trump campaign is a side issue but one which should set alarm bells ringing.

There are clearly questions he needs to answer and he should make his defense in court. JC and Diane Abbot would do well to stay out of this.

 

[inbetween]

I think Corbyn and Abbot are getting themselves on the wrong end of this argument. Playing to their narrow base.

Assange over steps the mark as he is complicit in the theft of data, he solicits stolen data or acts as a conduit for data stolen by others including Russian hackers. These are criminal acts and journalism is not a pass to get away with such criminality. If Russia offers you stolen data from the US government the responsible thing to do is to report that to intelligence services not dump it wholesale on the internet inclusive of personal details. That is sabotage not journalism. The fact it was very clearly co-ordinated with the Russian support of the Trump campaign is a side issue but one which should set alarm bells ringing.

There are clearly questions he needs to answer and he should make his defense in court. JC and Diane Abbot would do well to stay out of this.

They are morons and have shown they will never stand up for the interests of the country. Do they not ever stand and think about the people put at risk by the disclosure of classified information?

Whistleblowers should be allowed but the law allows for that within the confines of that classified information. Releasing or obtaining it for release to the public is not whistleblowing, it is illegally putting the people and the thing itself involved at risk.

He has potentially committed a crime both here and in the US so he has to stand trial for them.