The Labour Party

As per my response to Hilts is that with PR may make some horrid coalition that’d never get anything done.

Yep that’s the short term pain I said. It’s been shown plenty of times in other countries though that it can work and end up with a better set of policies implemented that have more universal backing rather than just sticking to individual manifestos.

It will take time to implement though and the problem we have is that no party in power will ever suggest changing to it for obvious reasons!
 
I understand your point, some certainly wouldn’t last but we’d maybe end up with some 3 party coalition mess with 4 new parties and PR.

What would be good is if Labour stick to socialist principles, the Tories stop being fucking liberals and actually behave like conservatives and the Liberal Democrats stop being so useless and gain some traction, so we can have a legitimate left, right and centre vote.

The trouble is all three manoeuvre themselves in different directions to get more votes, rather than keeping principles.

I would take a Lib Dem green and Labour coalition in a heartbeat fella now Corbyn and his sidekick aren’t pulling the strings. If the country is currently to the left of the Tories then them having total control is a joke and a stain on democracy. If the greens and the Lib Dem’s get say 10% of the vote that should be reflected. Fptp is a great way of forcing people to put a cross next to 2 parties who don’t deserve that support.

I can never support any party that will not have political reform in their manifesto. Plenty of countries have coalitions and do fine with it. Don’t even get me started on the House of Lords.
 
Yep that’s the short term pain I said. It’s been shown plenty of times in other countries though that it can work and end up with a better set of policies implemented that have more universal backing rather than just sticking to individual manifestos.

It will take time to implement though and the problem we have is that no party in power will ever suggest changing to it for obvious reasons!

No, you’re right there mate.

It’s the equivalent of Barca or Real voting for equal TV money rights in La Liga, just ain’t going to happen when they know they’ve only got one opposition to beat.
 
I would take a Lib Dem green and Labour coalition in a heartbeat fella now Corbyn and his sidekick aren’t pulling the strings. If the country is currently to the left of the Tories then them having total control is a joke and a stain on democracy. If the greens and the Lib Dem’s get say 10% of the vote that should be reflected. Fptp is a great way of forcing people to put a cross next to 2 parties who don’t deserve that support.

I can never support any party that will not have political reform in their manifesto. Plenty of countries have coalitions and do fine with it. Don’t even get me started on the House of Lords.

House of Lords needs to go I completely agree.

I don’t think the country is to the left of the Tories, certainly not what they are now, with for some unknown reason Johnson thinking he needs to be Blair to stay in power, and he’s a shit Blair at that.

The Tories could do with a coalition with some actual conservatives, the problem is the only other right wing bunch are Farage’s mob, who resemble the cast of Dad’s Army.
 
I would take a Lib Dem green and Labour coalition in a heartbeat fella now Corbyn and his sidekick aren’t pulling the strings. If the country is currently to the left of the Tories then them having total control is a joke and a stain on democracy. If the greens and the Lib Dem’s get say 10% of the vote that should be reflected. Fptp is a great way of forcing people to put a cross next to 2 parties who don’t deserve that support.

I can never support any party that will not have political reform in their manifesto. Plenty of countries have coalitions and do fine with it. Don’t even get me started on the House of Lords.

Completey agree with that. It cannot be right that parties can get a significant increase of voter share and ultimately lose MPs as a consequence. So many voices that essentially aren’t being heard.
 
House of Lords needs to go I completely agree.

I don’t think the country is to the left of the Tories, certainly not what they are now, with for some unknown reason Johnson thinking he needs to be Blair to stay in power, and he’s a shit Blair at that.

The Tories could do with a coalition with some actual conservatives, the problem is the only other right wing bunch are Farage’s mob, who resemble the cast of Dad’s Army.

Well in my opinion every other party is to the left of the Tories. They only just got over 40 percent of the vote and brexit and Corbyn affected the normal die hard labour voters in the north which is very much a one off on that scale.
 
Well in my opinion every other party is to the left of the Tories. They only just got over 40 percent of the vote and brexit and Corbyn affected the normal die hard labour voters in the north which is very much a one off on that scale.

Youre right but it’s distinguishing between left/right economically and socially.

The traditional Labour seats lost are to the left economically than the Tories but probably actually more right wing socially.

Just my opinion.
 
And the irony of ironies in that statement is that is that probably one of the parties you could associate with its Christian Democratic approach based around traditional Catholic teachings is Sinn Fein, admittedly Sinn Fein does also have a more radical leftist wing that associates itself with Marxism. It is socially conservative (anti-abortion,anti same sex marriage) whilst being economically to the left. Mutter Merkel is also somebody you would probably associate with it too and she welcomed immigration although I think that is part of the German constitution that anybody who can prove they are of Germanic descent is welcome in the Motherland. I think I am right but I am happy to bow to others knowledge but when Blair converted to Catholicism he was the first catholic to ever be PM of the UK. Religion is not often discussed in UK politics, our politicians generally dont express any faith or thank God like the American president, but the differences do exist in my opinion. The Tory party has long had associations with the CofE to such an extent the Synod is seen as the Tory party at prayer. It manifests itself through the Protestant work ethic, much beloved by the right wing.

Ed Miliband was going this way when he spoke of predistribution, a concept that at the time was laughed at by the commentariat, it is essentially welfarist and promotes a belief in state interventionist capitalism.

I am no lover of Glassman who was the initial mover behind Blue Labour, along with Cruddas I think, as I think it has led to the many accusations thrown around about Blairites being tories in disguise. Where blue Labour advocates such as Paul Embery the FBU chief and the Left do agree is they are both anti-EU, so I think neither faction will hold much sway as long as the pro-EU liberal left under Starmer have control of the party.
"The Synod is seen as the Tory party at prayer"? This would be the Synod of "Faith in the City" ("Marxist claptrap") - CofE hasn't been the Tory party at prayer for decades.
 
Well well well.

The whistleblowers on antisemitism, who were shamed last year, are set for a major pay out as guess what? They were telling the truth.
Whatever they receive, it won't be enough for the abuse they suffered for highlighting a very serious issue within a political party that once prided itself on not being like the Tories in that regard.

I seriously doubt the Jewish community will ever trust them again and sadly leaves them without a party to call home at the minute.
 

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