The Labour Party

George Hannah said:
Brilliant film, squeezes the years between us and them.
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It does, it's so moving, when the Tommy told the story of how he had to shoot a dying man who was calling out for nanny, and the Tommy's voice cracked when he told how he had to put him out of his misery "but it hurt me", a tear came to my eye.

It was powerful stuff.
 
The perfect fumble said:
I think you'll find "importance" is a subjective word.
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Okay, how about "members of the Labour Party who happen to be Jewish feeling like their voices are being silenced, their opinions berated, their membership denounced, by members of the very same party they chose to be a part of, where they once felt safe, where they once felt like they belonged, and now they no longer do and they are frightened".

Is that not important enough for you to listen? This is happening now. The Lost Generation are annually revered, their sacrifices and experiences honoured and lamented.
Jewish Labour Antisemitism is a serious enough issue to have made current national headlines, stimulate national debate and condemnation, by Jews themselves.

But you want to dismiss it over a perceived notion of what you consider to be be more "Important". That is absolutely shameful.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Okay, how about "members of the Labour Party who happen to be Jewish feeling like their voices are being silenced, their opinions berated, their membership denounced, by members of the very same party they chose to be a part of, where they once felt safe, where they once felt like they belonged, and now they no longer do and they are frightened".

Is that not important enough for you to listen? This is happening now. The Lost Generation are annually revered, their sacrifices and experiences honoured and lamented.
Jewish Labour Antisemitism is a serious enough issue to have made current national headlines, stimulate national debate and condemnation, by Jews themselves.

But you want to dismiss it over a perceived notion of what you consider to be be more "Important". That is absolutely shameful.
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just as an aside - we know how many "high profile" Labour members and MP's have quit over this - are there any records of the rank and file who have quit the party over antisemitism?
 
Where did this antisemitism in the labour party come from, was it when Corbyn was elected leader and the far left jumped on board or has it always been there?
 
Scottyboi said:
Where did this antisemitism in the labour party come from, was it when Corbyn was elected leader and the far left jumped on board or has it always been there?
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Been out & just watched it. They said that there were some cases pre-Corbyn but the people he attracted to the party meant the number of cases multiplied dramatically once he was leader.
 
Scottyboi said:
Where did this antisemitism in the labour party come from, was it when Corbyn was elected leader and the far left jumped on board or has it always been there?
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Yes. Prior to that Labour was New Labour and everything was OK just ask Margaret Hodge - she was happy then.
 
Scottyboi said:
What has it got to do with my question though, where did all this antisemitism come from in the Labour party, I never heard a thing about it under Blair and Ed so was it kept covered up or did it arrive with Corbyn getting into power.
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Amazing eh? Absolutely no prejudice through 13 years of government no suggestion - in 5 years of opposition - no suggestion ( in those times Jeremy Corbyn was NOT Labour Leader) and in 3 years Labour has become the Nazi Party? Something that 9 Labour MP's never saw at all prior to Jeremy Corbyn becoming leader? I mean was Tam Dalyel denounced for his comments in 2003? Was Martin Linton denounced for comments in 2010? Gerald Kaufman denounced Jewish Friends of Israels support for the Conservative Party - was that reported? No. Neither was Jeremy Corbyns comments that ( at that time in 2015 ) Kaufmans comments were " completely unacceptable" - fucking amazing eh?
 
Gaudion M said:
Your are missing the point. He has paved the way for a lot of things and most of them work against Labour gaining an overall majority.

In terms of paving the way - you could also argue Ed Miliband did similar, he took the party down a less popular / more extreme path where better leaders were on teh ticket although the perception of being centrist and that being a bad thing led to the election of a poor leader.
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I am not missing the point, Ed started the process but typically we saw the media concentrate on how he ate a bacon butty rather than his policies. Then you had the mindless nonsense about him being unfit for government and the SNP scare stories.

You also miss the point that the leader of the labour party is not a dictator, the policies are decided on at conference, by the members.

Labour should never be a centrist party, I was unrepresented under Blair. We differ politically obviously, but Labour has always been a broad church and whilst I disagreed with Blair on many things he was better than the Tories so I voted for him. Now the Labour right think the Tories or Lib Dems are the better option. Loyalty for you.
 
Rascal said:
I am not missing the point, Ed started the process but typically we saw the media concentrate on how he ate a bacon butty rather than his policies.
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You have to admit, the way he ate that sandwich was just plain wrong. You can’t trust a man who eats a sandwich like that to run the country.
 
Some responses to this thread and the program last night and the rest of the political forum matches what the program said several times last night.

Some on the left think they are the only ones against racism. They cry fascist and racist all the time, have decided that anyone to the right of them politically is guilty automatically of being racist yet have this blind spot when it comes to their own racism against the Jews, trying to hide it behind some thin veil that it’s criticism of Israel.

It isn’t, it’s out and out anti semitism and when their own members, some Jewish, some not say it’s an issue they ignore and just turn on their own.
 
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gordondaviesmoustache said:
You have to admit, the way he ate that sandwich was just plain wrong. You can’t trust a man who eats a sandwich like that to run the country.
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Funny thing is his religious background. Remember how his father was treated as the Man who hates Britain.

I don't recall the hysteria about that. But that's whataboutery.

The idiotic thing about all this, is it is in danger of making anti semitic abuse mainstream. Its not mainstream, it is 0.06% of Labour members, no doubt those are also Pro Palestine advocates who are vocal on the subject. I will not get into the politics of Isreal/Palestine as I simply do not know enough to comment with any authority. I also wonder why the constant usage of a classical anti semitic trope "cultural Marxism" is never called out for what it is. That is ignored and I wonder why.

I actually thought the BBC programme was a disgrace, it was a full frontal attack on the Labour party, made by a known far right wing extremist with Islamophobic views. There was no balance to it at all and whilst I don't buy conspiracy theories its timing is questionable to say the least. I am a supporter of the BBC too, but it let itself down and I think it will face recriminations because a lot of it was innuendo and conformation bias.

I can say in all honesty I do not know anybody who is anti semitic, I know I am not, I have no reason to be. The constant barrage of anti semitic accusations aimed at the likes of me has made me question my beliefs which is not a bad thing as we should all be open to having our beliefs examined.

As I alluded to, I really do think the constant barrage of accusations is more likely to make people anti-Semitic, people will become defensive and lash out and it will have a negative effect, people without the courage of their convictions can be easily swayed to believe in conspiracy theories, I have seen it online with people lashing out at Labour MPs who members of Labour friends of Isreal. Why there is a need for Labour friends of Isreal has always seemed odd to me. We have enough problems in our country without spending time worrying about others. I certainly would not be abusive to anybody who is a member of LFI though, its their choice.

What is ironic is the opponents of identity politics using identity politics to attack the supposed supporters of identity politics.

Politics in this country has lost its marbles, they have been lost that badly that we now have the ridiculous situation where we have good and bad racism. It is that fucking mental.
 
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