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Ban-jani said:
It’s incredibly sad what Jennie Formby is going through and I do wish her a speedy recovery.

That said, her behaviour in the handling of this outrage in the party has been disgusting. She purposely intervened to get racists off the hook and caused several members of the disputes team to suffer from mental health issues, under her. The former Team Manager of the team was nearly drawn to suicide and said, and I quote “I nearly through myself off the roof of her office”.

She also has chosen to work throughout her treatment I believe, although very admirable and I respect that aspect of the situation very much, she should surely be open to criticism if she’s continuing in such an important role, in the opposition.

McCluskey is a fucking prick and always has been. He’s part of the issue of those that are damaging the side of politics I want to make a break through, through is total and utter rejection of any antisemitism at all, claiming it’s all a media campaign against Corbyn.
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she's the mother of his son after all
 
bluethrunthru said:
To the left of Tom Watson?
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Everyone to the right of you isn’t necessarily right wing.

Again it’s this kind of rhetoric that’s destroying the party. Anyone we disagree with is neoliberal or right wing or a Tory.

It’s both unhelpful and pathetic and Labour needs to strive to do better, of which it can if people like McCluskey are kicked into touch.
 
Ban-jani said:
Everyone to the right of you isn’t necessarily right wing.

Again it’s this kind of rhetoric that’s destroying the party. Anyone we disagree with is neoliberal or right wing or a Tory.

It’s both unhelpful and pathetic and Labour needs to strive to do better, of which it can if people like McCluskey are kicked into touch.
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I was just explaining how he may see Watson as right wing............
 
west didsblue said:
McCluskey is a fucking disgrace using her personal health issues as a tool in a political debate. Shameful.
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Yeah I agree - how can anybody defend an ex-partner who is having cancer treatment when they undergo personal attack? McLuskey should be ashamed of himself Watson is by far the bigger man. Both should have thought before speaking.
 
smudgedj said:
I can’t stand Corbyn but a blairite purge would be a joy to watch.
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I assume you would welcome that because it may help Labour become unelectable. The Blairites embraced neo-liberalism, they did try the mythical third way of Clinton in trying to use capitalism to shore up social provision. After the Thatcher years Blair had to turn the tide and to be fair to him he did bring the overton window leftwards, albeit it not far enough leftwards to appease the zealots. He did pave the way for Corbyn though, via Ed Miliband.

Although Corbyn is to the right of myself on some issues, I have the luxury of not having to seek election and I comfort myself with the fact any leftist government of any hue is far better than anything any Tory could come up with. The Labour party has to play the long game and move public opinion in increments which I believe it is doing albeit at a snails pace. We do in this country have a natural small C conservatism and Labour traditionally and historically was the patriotic party because it stood for the many not the few. That is its hardest problem because of the rise of the populists who try to claim Patriotism as their own. I see nothing patriotic in policies that reduce a segment of the populace to having to use foodbanks, do zero hour jobs or not be able to get a doctors appointment. There is nothing patriotic in being isolationist, its nationalist and its a fine line that we have and are crossing to often for my liking.

Sadly nowadays everything is viewed through the prism of Brexit and the Blairite wing of the party is mostly unapologetically pro EU, the Left of the party is mainly Anti EU and that has caused ructions in the party, just has it has for the Tory party. As much as some of the Blairite wing annoy me, we need them in the Labour party because its good for democracy and they can temper some of the more extremist ideas, just as the One Nation Tories temper the extremism of the likes of the ERG.

In any political party you will get different views, people are not automatons and as a believer in democracy sometimes you have to accept the will of the majority, you can still hold your views and try to change others opinions but the majority must hold sway. That's why I hope there is not a Blairite purge despite some of the despicable behaviour and conduct they have undertaken in their efforts to rid the party of its democratically elected leader.

As an aside, why can you not stand Corbyn? Please be honest and don't reply with fatuous statements or untruths. I would genuinely like to know why.
 
Ban-jani said:
I appreciate that but he’s a fucking idiot for thinking or saying it.
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Which he never did, but as you said you stopped watching, so are comenting on only half the speech, he had just been speaking about the right wing and right wing media criticism, he add the watson bit on at the end as it would be remiss as he says not to mention the attacks on her by the press and warson has been the main culprit so needs name dropping.
He didn't call him right wing, unless you want to hear it that way, he called him shameful.
 
George Hannah said:
and he's the biggest of the bunch with Tom Watson firmly in his sights - the long awaited splintering is coming very soon I think.
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Watson has been poking and poking the bear, feeling safe behind the system he loves to slag off, he know he cannot be sacked as DL so has free reign to act like the snidey **** he has always been.

McClusky we know is a gobshite but also isn't bound by the niceties the PLP need to keep with each other, even McDonald and Clive Lewis's rebuke of Watsons behaviour were polite, Len doesn't have to be and can call him what he likes.
I doubt the splintering will happen, as most of those MPs that back watson the usual grouop of about 15-20 are careerist and want to protect their jobs hence why they only pipe up when they think the leadership may fall, then slink back off into the back benches when it rides another media storm.

Thinking about it now, I slagged chukka and the other splitters off at the time, but at least they had the stones to say, I don't like a real labour party set on a decent socialist agenda as we are neo-liberal in thinking and did something to reflect that, rather than collect a paycheck sit on a back bench being silent, not challenging the tories and only appearing on telly if they think jezza is done for, not seen Watson on telly for over a year now interviewed or writing his articles for the gaurdian where his topic has been the NHS, austerity, brexit, and fighting the tories, every one has been about slagging off his own party and sniping while breaking the same rules and proccess he keep saying need to be used better.
 
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urban genie said:
Which he never did, but as you said you stopped watching, so are comenting on only half the speech, he had just been speaking about the right wing and right wing media criticism, he add the watson bit on at the end as it would be remiss as he says not to mention the attacks on her by the press and warson has been the main culprit so needs name dropping.
He didn't call him right wing, unless you want to hear it that way, he called him shameful.
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He said “speaking of right wing criticism...” and then went on to name drop Watson and use her illness as a weapon to for the argument.
 
Ban-jani said:
He said “speaking of right wing criticism...” and then went on to name drop Watson and use her illness as a weapon to for the argument.
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Had just made a speech about the right wing critics and as is clear in the clip that he then says it would be remiss to not mention the criticism of formby, and then calls out watson, pausing first, I can clearly tell that he isn't calling watson right wing, and no comment by people of this speach has assumed that.

I have been very honest on here that I am a staunch socialist and labour supporter, not a big fan of corbyn and annoyed with the handling on AS, I have no agenda pro/anti leadership, I see what I see and when I see someone being a gobshite which I have called McClusky out on before on this forum, I will say it, in this instance he isn't Wastson should be ashamed of his behaviour.
 
urban genie said:
Had just made a speech about the right wing critics and as is clear in the clip that he then says it would be remiss to not mention the criticism of formby, and then calls out watson, pausing first, I can clearly tell that he isn't calling watson right wing, and no comment by people of this speach has assumed that.

I have been very honest on here that I am a staunch socialist and labour supporter, not a big fan of corbyn and annoyed with the handling on AS, I have no agenda pro/anti leadership, I see what I see and when I see someone being a gobshite which I have called McClusky out on before on this forum, I will say it, in this instance he isn't Wastson should be ashamed of his behaviour.
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“Speaking of right wing critics, it would be remiss of me to not mention the attacks on our General Secretary, Jennie Formby, wrong in normal circumstances and despicable because of her medical condition. I have a simple message for Tom Watson and his pals in the media: You should fucking well be ashamed of yourselves.”

That’s definitely insinuating Watson is part of this right wing attack in my opinion.

Why should Watson be ashamed of his behaviour?

I know you’ve always disliked him and it stretches back to during the last Labour Government but on this issue, he’s handled himself very well and has been brave.

Formby should be ashamed of her behaviour.
 
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