The Labour Party

[metalblue]

Nearly all care outside hospitals is private, whether in care homes or in someone's own home. If someone is well enough to leave hospital but (e.g.) can't manage alone in their own home, it's a simple calculation for the NHS whether the cost of paying for a care bed outweighs the cost of having nurses performing "care" duties rather than nursing. If the result is that patients aren't being treated in corridors, that also means ambulances aren't tied up waiting somewhere to put their patients.

Staff shortages, and paying for some operations in the private sector, is a separate issue.

Jesus wept. What the do you think NHS staff are doing when someone is medically fit to be discharged from the acute setting? You seem to think they are just sitting around waiting for patients to leave on their own volition … and not trying to organise community care or care / nursing home placements. You can’t organise what doesn’t exist, virtual wards is the latest thinking here and that works reasonably well as it happens.

 

[metalblue]

Remove the backlog from the immigration crisis and use those buildings as respite care homes. :-)

Lol. Didn’t the government come up with discharging medically fit people to hotels during covid?

I’m sure that was met with much wrath and mocking on here but if our Wes suggests it he’s solved all the world’s woes.

 

[mexico1970]

Jesus wept. What the do you think NHS staff are doing when someone is medically fit to be discharged from the acute setting? You seem to think they are just sitting around waiting for patients to leave on their own volition … and not trying to organise community care or care / nursing home placements. You can’t organise what doesn’t exist, virtual wards is the latest thinking here and that works reasonably well as it happens.

Makes you wonder how medical staff actually cope when faced with the dilemmas that they do face.
After watching a few programs on the telly about the American health service and people literally being shovelled out of the door as soon as the treatments are either complete or "Good enough" to be classed as patched up.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Lol. Didn’t the government come up with discharging medically fit people to hotels during covid?

I’m sure that was met with much wrath and mocking on here but if our Wes suggests it he’s solved all the world’s woes.

The asylum seekers wouldn’t even have to move far and they’d have jobs!

 

[Here4Politics]

 

[metalblue]

Makes you wonder how medical staff actually cope when faced with the dilemmas that they do face.
After watching a few programs on the telly about the American health service and people literally being shovelled out of the door as soon as the treatments are either complete or "Good enough" to be classed as patched up.

The NHS won’t discharge you if you can’t find your house keys in the US you can leave if you’re still alive ;)

 

[metalblue]

The asylum seekers wouldn’t even have to move far and they’d have jobs!

Lol. I hope to see your name on the ballot sheet..getting my vote with this sort of joined up thinking ;)

 

[metalblue]

Just relayed labours care home plan to Mrs MB. Ignoring what she said about the lack of capacity in care homes (beds and staff) her response was:

The NHS already commissions care home beds but they are mostly private organisations that have the right to refuse any patients they don’t want.

Discharge itself is complex because patients are complex, ideally you need to have patients and families agree on what that looks like. Patients have right of refusal to go even if you do find them a place then you are left with going down the “eviction” route which isn’t easy…if it was they wouldn’t have patients unnecessarily sitting in beds today for a year or more.

Standards in care homes can often be questioned - eg if residents ever get pressure sores - that care home is then blacklisted until standards improve. This happens a lot.

She concluded by saying families can pick up a relative and shove them in any care home they fancy, the NHS can’t. Sadly we don’t do enough as a society to look after our own relatives.

This is from someone who did this job for 3 years solid, day in, day out and still banks for them from time to time. I’d take her experiences over Wes Streeting bolitics (political bollocks) any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

It’s a lot harder being in government than opposition when all you have to do is say the government should “do more”. This shows an embarrassingly poor grasp of the challenges in his portfolio.

 

[Vic]

Remove the backlog from the immigration crisis and use those buildings as respite care homes. :-)

Ask the immigrants to stay on as carers (or in some cases as doctors)

 

[Vic]

Jesus wept. What the do you think NHS staff are doing when someone is medically fit to be discharged from the acute setting? You seem to think they are just sitting around waiting for patients to leave on their own volition … and not trying to organise community care or care / nursing home placements. You can’t organise what doesn’t exist, virtual wards is the latest thinking here and that works reasonably well as it happens.

And if organising care was a lot easier because their Trust had contracted to provide beds in a care home?