The Labour Party

Neville Kneville said:
So he's going to sit on the fence re Brexit, even within.his own party & advocate fuck all, so he can be on the side of whoever wins the argument ?

Like his position on nuclear war: "I don't want nukes but.....well if people insist we continue to buy them then we can buy the weapons but I'm not saying if I will use them if attacked......but of course if the committie decides to use them....or perhaps if there is a referendum..."
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_United_Kingdom_European_Communities_membership_referendum

We've been here before.....

At the February 1974 United Kingdom general election, the Labour Party manifesto promised renegotiation of Britain's terms of membership, to be followed by a consultative referendum on continued membership under the new terms if they were acceptable.....

In a 1975 pamphlet Prime Minister Harold Wilson said: "I ask you to use your vote. For it is your vote that will now decide. The Government will accept your verdict."[3] The pamphlet also said: "Now the time has come for you to decide. The Government will accept your decision — whichever way it goes."

Back then the leadership wanted in, the membership out....

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And this looks eerily familiar...

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The perfect fumble said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_United_Kingdom_European_Communities_membership_referendum

We've been here before.....

At the February 1974 United Kingdom general election, the Labour Party manifesto promised renegotiation of Britain's terms of membership, to be followed by a consultative referendum on continued membership under the new terms if they were acceptable.....

In a 1975 pamphlet Prime Minister Harold Wilson said: "I ask you to use your vote. For it is your vote that will now decide. The Government will accept your verdict."[3] The pamphlet also said: "Now the time has come for you to decide. The Government will accept your decision — whichever way it goes."

Back then the leadership wanted in, the membership out....

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And this looks eerily familiar...

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Now, Corbyn doesn't want to influence anyone, apparently...
 
Only Labour will give the people a final say on Brexit

Jeremy Corbyn

Boris Johnson and the Conservatives are threatening to drive our country over a no-deal cliff edge in six weeks’ time. He has no mandate for that and is opposed by a majority of the public. Since he became prime minister in July, Johnson has been defeated on every vote he has put to parliament. Now his undemocratic manoeuvrings and his decision to close down parliament and avoid accountability are being challenged in the supreme court. Johnson’s visit to Luxembourg on Monday was a further humiliation. The prime minister went to Europe with no plan and no proposals, and did his best to hide from scrutiny while he was there.

Three years ago Johnson backed Brexit because he thought it would boost his political career – writing one article in favour of remain and another backing leave. Now he’s backing no deal because he thinks it’s politically expedient – to win back votes from the Brexit party and keep his Tory Brexit ultras on board. At the same time he needs to look like he’s trying for a deal to hold his cabinet and parliamentary party together.


There is nothing new in Johnson’s shenanigans. Theresa May signed up to contradictory red lines on Brexit to keep the Conservatives from falling apart, and David Cameron called the referendum in the first place to see off the threat from Ukip.

The Brexit saga of the past few years has been a litany of Tory failures, as one Conservative prime minister after another has put their own and their party’s interests before the interests of the people and our country. Now we face crashing out of the EU next month without a deal, just to save Johnson’s job. We know from Amber Rudd, who resigned from his cabinet this month, that there is little effort going into securing a deal with the EU – in fact it is hard to see any sign of real effort at all. That came after leaked reports that the prime minister’s negotiations are a “sham” and no deal is the real goal.

In the teeth of No 10 resistance, parliament secured the release of the confidential Yellowhammer papers, setting out the government’s preparations for no deal. The government’s own analysis found the UK would be at risk of food and medicine shortages, and face chaos at key ports. It also exposed that ministers had deliberately misled the public. They told us there would be no food or medicine shortages, when their own internal reports showed that there would be.

Yellowhammer has raised the stakes even higher. Johnson’s reckless no-deal Brexit would threaten jobs and living standards and increase food prices. And it would pave the way for a one-sided trade deal with Donald Trump that could only be negotiated from a position of weakness.

Labour will do everything necessary to stop a disastrous no deal, with all the chaos, disruption and job losses it would lead to – and the serious threat it would pose to the Northern Ireland peace process. That’s why we worked with other parties across parliament to pass a law to stop us crashing out at the end of next month.

But as soon as no deal is off the table, and the prime minister has complied with the law, we need a general election to get rid of Johnson’s Tory government. That election will be about much more than Brexit. It will be a choice between a Labour government that will put wealth and power in the hands of the many, and Johnson’s born-to-rule Conservatives who will look after the privileged few. It will be about who will truly end austerity and deliver the change Britain needs, invest in every region and nation of our country, and rebuild our public services, communities and industry.

The people of Britain deserve to have their say in a general election. Only a Labour government would end the Brexit crisis by taking the decision back to the people. We will give the people the final say on Brexit, with the choice of a credible leave offer and remain.


A Labour government would secure a sensible deal based on the terms we have long advocated, including a new customs union with the EU; a close single market relationship; and guarantees of workers’ rights and environmental protections. We would then put that to a public vote alongside remain. I will pledge to carry out whatever the people decide, as a Labour prime minister.

We are the only UK-wide party ready to put our trust in the people of Britain to make the decision. Johnson wants to crash out with no deal. That is something opposed by business, industry, the trade unions and most of the public – and even by the Vote Leave campaign’s co-convener Michael Gove, who said earlier this year: “We didn’t vote to leave without a deal.”

And now the Liberal Democrats want MPs to overturn the referendum result by revoking article 50 in a parliamentary stitch-up. It is simply undemocratic to override the decision of a majority of the voters without going back to the people.

Labour is the only party determined to bring people together, and give the people the final say. Only a vote for Labour will deliver a public vote on Brexit. Only a Labour government will put the power back into the hands of the people. Let’s stop a no-deal Brexit – and let the people decide.

• Jeremy Corbyn is leader of the Labour party
 
Rascal said:
Very sensible from the only grown up in the room
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He won't whip on this come the referendum.

He'll allow MPs to campaign as they see fit, so the likes of Emily Thornberry will campaign for remain, Stephen Kinnock for the deal, and his political fortunes and that of a Labour government will not hang in the balance.

This position will not alienate the mass of "thinking" leavers and will distinguish Labour from the two extremes.
 
The perfect fumble said:
He won't whip on this come the referendum.

He'll allow MPs to campaign as they see fit, so the likes of Emily Thornberry will campaign for remain, Stephen Kinnock for the deal, and his political fortunes and that of a Labour government will not hang in the balance.

This position will not alienate the mass of "thinking" leavers and will distinguish Labour from the two extremes.
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Even James O'Brien, who never has a good word for Corbyn thinks it is a really good plan and he is outfoxed Swinson.

I am in shock.
 
Rascal said:
Even James O'Brien, who never has a good word for Corbyn thinks it is a really good plan and he is outfoxed Swinson.

I am in shock.
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He might even catch a break from the wider media on this.

We've been consumed by madness and stupidity on Brexit for too long, this is grown up stuff, it gets us back to reality and it's workable.

Mercifully it wrests the leave campaign away from the liars and charlatans, the likes of Johnson, Gove and Farage, these fuckers will hate it, well fuck them and the horse they rode in on.
 
mackenzie said:
I'm a Remainer and I think this far fairer and democratic than the Lib Dems suggestion
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You cannot get more democratic than winning a majority and enacting, as the first thing you do, your key policy in the manifesto.

It’s fairer though.
 
mackenzie said:
I'm a Remainer and I think this far fairer and democratic than the Lib Dems suggestion
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Tbf, the Lib Dem Revoke option was only committed to in the event of a Lib Dem majority government. As the party has been solidly Remain from Day 1 it is not an inconsistent position as a majority government would indicate backing from more of the population than any form of Brexit. The reality is that they will never form a majority government so would support a Labour minority government in delivering their plans of a renegotiated Brexit that is put to a referendum.
 
The perfect fumble said:
He might even catch a break from the wider media on this.

We've been consumed by madness and stupidity on Brexit for too long, this is grown up stuff, it gets us back to reality and it's workable.

Mercifully it wrests the leave campaign away from the liars and charlatans, the likes of Johnson, Gove and Farage, these fuckers will hate it, well fuck them and the horse they rode in on.
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Fumble supporting whatever shite comes out of Corbyn's mouth, as per.

Are you sleeping with him?
 
west didsblue said:
Tbf, the Lib Dem Revoke option was only committed to in the event of a Lib Dem majority government. As the party has been solidly Remain from Day 1 it is not an inconsistent position as a majority government would indicate backing from more of the population than any form of Brexit. The reality is that they will never form a majority government so would support a Labour minority government in delivering their plans of a renegotiated Brexit that is put to a referendum.
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I’m not sure they could. Swinson saying “Corbyn isn’t fit to be Prime Minister” isn’t exactly diplomatic. I know Cameron said the biggest joke he knows is Nick Clegg in the campaign for 2010 but it’s not as direct as what Swinson has said.
 
Ban-jani said:
I’m not sure they could. Swinson saying “Corbyn isn’t fit to be Prime Minister” isn’t exactly diplomatic. I know Cameron said the biggest joke he knows is Nick Clegg in the campaign for 2010 but it’s not as direct as what Swinson has said.
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I always thought that people shouldn't be mealy-mouthed about this sort of stuff. Corbyn isn't fit to be PM. A lot more folk should be saying it!
 
The perfect fumble said:
Only Labour will give the people a final say on Brexit

Jeremy Corbyn

Vote Labour because we aren’t the Tories(spit)and we promise to give you free stuff and make life wonderful I promise.

Err social justice, I now like Jewish people honest, we will get a deal but don’t bother with it etc...


• Jeremy Corbyn is the pretend leader of the Labour Party acting on behalf of momentum
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Condensed version for those who don’t have time for long winded propaganda.
 
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