The Labour Party

Although I did read that a “Labour source” claimed that it was all a fuss about nothing. Because if they had held a card vote the union vote would have resulted in a massive majority in favour of yesterday’s outcome.

Which is what made me think that if they use that same voting method at the special conference then wouldn’t it be possible to predict how the unions will vote?
 
I’m guessing the Conference has been rather overshadowed this morning. And if they don’t move to start discussing what has just happened and making political capital out if it then I’ll be astonished. They have an open goal with the ball on the line ready to be booted in.
 
So what would you suggest, they back leave because you want it?

The majority of Labour voters and members, despite the constant rhetoric around their large leave base, are remain.

They’ve taken a position that satisfies them, it’s a mature approach and one that allows moderate leavers, who don’t want the sick fetish of no deal, to vote for them.

I haven’t suggested anything. Just pointing out the situation they are in ....

Btw the majority of labour areas voted leave ... so on what your saying mps should ignore the areas they represent and only side with their voters ?
 
I haven’t suggested anything. Just pointing out the situation they are in ....

Btw the majority of labour areas voted leave ... so on what your saying mps should ignore the areas they represent and only side with their voters ?

More Labour voters voted remain than leave.

This rhetoric about leave/Labour areas isn’t entirely correct and they’ve got more to lose from remain voters than leave.
 
More Labour voters voted remain than leave.

This rhetoric about leave/Labour areas isn’t entirely correct and they’ve got more to lose from remain voters than leave.

Right I never disagreed with that .... more labour areas voted to leave though .... and your second point applies to both sets of voters. Without either they can’t win an election

Labour mps either pick current labour voters or ignore the area they represent. That’s the challenge for them
 
Starmer is on now, so Blair fan club get yourself over to BBC Parliament and have a wank.
Wow - you exude utter hatred for anything that is not hard-left don't you - especially if it has impact for your obsession that Labour should entrench into a hard-left party, no matter how unelectable that makes it
 
Right I never disagreed with that .... more labour areas voted to leave though .... and your second point applies to both sets of voters. Without either they can’t win an election

Labour mps either pick current labour voters or ignore the area they represent. That’s the challenge for them

They’re going to have to win an election without a large proportion of each side.

The majority of more ardent leave voters won’t vote for Labour and the majority of remain voters won’t vote Tory, despite if they have always/previously done.

Johnson has distanced himself with remain voters by illegally suspending parliament to try and force through no deal and Corbyn is at least trying to retain some moderate leavers by giving another vote.
 
I’m guessing the Conference has been rather overshadowed this morning. And if they don’t move to start discussing what has just happened and making political capital out if it then I’ll be astonished. They have an open goal with the ball on the line ready to be booted in.
Corbyn wouldn't boot it in though. He'd go back to check with conference and they'd argue about the way the ball should be "booted in" (left foot, right foot, back heel etc) until well after full time.
 
Lots of Labour constituencies/areas particularly in the north and the midlands voted to leave. Don’t really get why that’s so hard to understand

You're right, if one views it by constituency around 70% of Tory and 60% of Labour constituencies voted leave.

This has implications for MPs because they are elected on a constituency basis, referendums of course are not.

Lord Ashcroft Polls conducted a poll on election night in 2017 in which 25% of those who said they had voted Leave in 2016, said they had voted Labour - that would be 3.2 million.

The latest estimate from Comres is that 26% of those who voted Labour in 2017 voted Leave in 2016 - that's 3.3 million people.

And YouGov reckons that 29% of those who voted Labour in 2017 and voted in the EU Referendum, voted Leave - that's about 3.5 million.

Whatever figure you believe, the conclusion is the same, in terms of numbers, most Labour voters voted remain.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48039984
 
Len, the man who was elected by less than 5% of the union he claims to represent.

Which is significantly higher than the % of people who Johnson was elected from. So how does he claim a mandate when big bad red Marxist Lennist Maoist, Stalinist, far left , Trotskyite Len got a much higher percentage.

Or are you being a working class union hating hypocrite
 

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