urban genie
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The Labour Party
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blueinsa
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Thank you
Rascal finds out you are impersonating him there will be shit to pay fella.
Chippy_boy
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You don't include John McDonnell? He's probably the best Tory vote winner of the three. Corbyn, Abbott, McDonnell: Truly the Tory Dream Team.
Short of campaigning openly for a Conservative government, I don't know how the above three could secure more Tory votes than they surely will.
Chippy_boy
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I am sure I can speak on behalf of everyone on this forum in saying that none of us have any problem whatsoever with you giving all your money away. Good for you.
But I'd rather you sought to be rather less generous with everyone elses thanks.
urban genie
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It'll be fine with @Rascal though I am now putting forward the idea of Anarcho-communism rather than marxism or socialism.
We are a "broad church" on the left and can accomodate even them syndicalists , shame the leader JC is such centre left moderate.
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blueinsa
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Watching anyone take you apart on here is entertaining.
Rascal
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AH!
Well its good that your privileged education allowed a poor kid a half baked education then.
I went to run down comprehensive school and of course I will defer to your good yourself because that is how it is supposed to work is it not. I should know my place, I apologise.
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johnnytapia
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Increasing immigration - nailed on vote winner (In Peckham maybe).
Rascal
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When Brexit happens we will need immigration. Closing the borders is totally unrealistic from a demographic standpoint. We have an ageing population and birth rates are at an all time low and falling.
Rasc, these people can’t see beyond the end of their noses.
Rascal
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The anti-immigration rhetoric has certainly worked a treat, the problem is that in maybe 20 years we will have a small amount of people paying for a lot of peoples pensions.
Fame Monster
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There's a difference between closing the borders and making sure that the immigrants who come over here can support themselves and support the country. Labour seem to want to get rid of such checks for ideological reasons no matter how unpopular or damaging it is.
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purplenose
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As a matter of interest for those who see no problem with almost unlimited immigration and bang on about those who question it being racist and so on. Please explain to me how we can actually accommodate these folks.
Last I heard we are short of housing. Those of us already resident in this shit tip of a country cannot get doctors appointments, dentists, jobs that are not zero hour slavery and so on.
In short any government chosen from any party at all cannot put that right so what they say. We have homeless in every town, the country is an absolute shambles from top to bottom yet the left leaning amongst us seem to think we can take even more people from 3rd world and war stricken countries, many of whom will require medical attention, education, and mostly speak little or no English.
So come on speak up lets hear it....how will this work?
We have neither the infrastructure nor the means to put it in place, we are full simple as that. No room at the inn.
On here people constantly harp on about the far right whilst failing to see that even the moderate left are a much bigger threat to this country than this minority of far right idiots who command so much attention.
Selfishly I would personally say let the left go ahead and destroy this country as I probably wont be here to see the worst of the consequences of this blatant and spectacular stupidity. This country going up in flames and turning into a bloodbath would be no more than these fools deserve so fuck them. I have kids though and they will be around for the horrors that lie ahead and therefore I cannot say that.
I have made it clear to those kids that there is no future for them in this country and they should seek to make a future elsewhere as this place is finished.
Last I heard we are short of housing. Those of us already resident in this shit tip of a country cannot get doctors appointments, dentists, jobs that are not zero hour slavery and so on.
In short any government chosen from any party at all cannot put that right so what they say. We have homeless in every town, the country is an absolute shambles from top to bottom yet the left leaning amongst us seem to think we can take even more people from 3rd world and war stricken countries, many of whom will require medical attention, education, and mostly speak little or no English.
So come on speak up lets hear it....how will this work?
We have neither the infrastructure nor the means to put it in place, we are full simple as that. No room at the inn.
On here people constantly harp on about the far right whilst failing to see that even the moderate left are a much bigger threat to this country than this minority of far right idiots who command so much attention.
Selfishly I would personally say let the left go ahead and destroy this country as I probably wont be here to see the worst of the consequences of this blatant and spectacular stupidity. This country going up in flames and turning into a bloodbath would be no more than these fools deserve so fuck them. I have kids though and they will be around for the horrors that lie ahead and therefore I cannot say that.
I have made it clear to those kids that there is no future for them in this country and they should seek to make a future elsewhere as this place is finished.
The systematic lying that pours out of the right wing press every single morning makes you think that freedom of movement means no checks on immigrants who cannot support themselves.
I don’t blame you for it, after all if it’s in most papers every day why wouldn’t someone believe it?
The actual fact is even with freedom of movement from the EU, if said immigrant isn’t able to support themselves within a limited amount of time, we can literally send them back to the country they came from.
You see, we had the choice to opt out of Schengen, which means we have greater controls over immigration, coming from within the EU.
But guess what? This Tory Government doesn’t implement those controls... it doesn’t bother to.
And the reason why is that EU nationals tend to come here in prime working age, they work for a good number of years, paying into the system and then they fuck off home to retire, thus hardly taking anything out.
It’s why on average per head, EU nationals contribute more to the country than Brits.
Our population is ageing and thats snowballing. We need immigration to keep our economy going. Nobody is saying that we want unlimited immigration, because the EU isn’t that anyway, we want to control it but we’re not buying the Tory lies when they’re the ones allowing 600,000+ net per year whilst banging on about it being a problem.
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The perfect fumble
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I would remind all those howling at the moon, that conference doesn't write policy and it doesn't write the Party manifesto.
Fame Monster
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I think you've spent too long in the EU thread.
I'm not talking about Schengen or freedom of movement within the EU, I'm talking about immigration at a general level and the need to have adequate measures in place to make sure that immigrants contribute to the county.
bluethrunthru
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The UK had the ability to control immigration of non EU nationals - as EU immigration has fallen non EU immigration has risen. The numbers are revealed regularly - the bit of immigration we have controlled by allowing it to increase to make up for the EU shortfall. The measures are there and being used.
I have you’re right but considering the only freedom of movement we have at this time is with the EU and around 40% of our net immigration is from there, it’s a very valid point to be making.
My point was mostly around the measures we do currently have and the controls we can enact to bring those numbers down, but the government, a Tory one at that, is refusing to do so.