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Correction to previous post I cba to find.

Jess Phillip's trigger ballot on Monday.
 
The perfect fumble said:
You'll no doubt be pleased to know, that when I see your name pop up my first thought is always "just fuck off".

I've never met you and have no desire to change that, but in my mind's eye I see....

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Although it's an easy trap to fall into, it's not always advisable to judge someone based on what bollocks they post on the internet and having met WW briefly the other week at the BM meet up in town prior to Vinny's testimonial, he seems a rather pleasant bloke. Maybe the same is true of you too.
 
M18CTID said:
Although it's an easy trap to fall into, it's not always advisable to judge someone based on what bollocks they post on the internet and having met WW briefly the other week at the BM meet up in town prior to Vinny's testimonial, he seems a rather pleasant bloke. Maybe the same is true of you too.
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You're wrong.

I'm an arsehole.
 
Rascal said:
We need to convince voters about the good in Socialism. Selling them neo-liberalism under a red banner is not Socialism.
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You do need to do that, agreed.

And in saying that, you must have surely realised when you typed it, that as it stands, voters are not convinced. Or they would not need convincing.

Standards of living in this country for the vast majority of people have been steadily rising for the past 70 years. People have transitioned largely from mass employment in unskilled and low skilled jobs into higher skilled, more highly paid jobs. Most households now own a car, or two, where in the 60's, hardly anyone did. We have Samsung Galaxies and iPhones and watch TV or our 50" flat screen TVs, not the 12" round thing in the corner. People have aspirations now, when previously they did not.

Labour are selling a vision of nationalisation, state ownership and state interference with our lives, that people no longer want. Hard left Labour support exists only in pockets, in inner cities and in areas of lowest wealth and greatest deprivation. And these areas are becoming fewer, and fewer and fewer. What was once a dump is now "up and coming''.

Labour will remain in opposition forever unless and until they grasp this. You've lost the argument, Rascal. You are selling something we don't want.
 
joe123 said:
She's very popular, and the message it presents to the rest of the country, or perhaps importantly to moderate labour voters like myself is that if you're not hard enough left, you can fuck off.
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Don't worry mate. All the "not hard left enough" Labour voters have already fucked off. Have you seen Corbyn's popularity ratings and the polls?

He'd have more appeal selling smallpox.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Don't worry mate. All the "not hard left enough" Labour voters have already fucked off. Have you seen Corbyn's popularity ratings and the polls?

He'd have more appeal selling smallpox.
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I get that to an extent, but I think Swinson has actually helped Labour oddly enough - the way she's gone about her business makes her sound more anti-Corbyn than anti-Brexit. I think that's been off-putting for a decent swathe of Lab voters who are pro-remain, but we shall see. If I'm right on that, the last thing Labour needs is to do anything that can be jumped on as showing there's no room for moderate politics in the party.

Until we have a GE I won't know for sure, but I know I flit between my voting intentions on a fairly regularly basis at the moment, largely based on who on the remain side hasn't shot themselves in the foot that day.
 
joe123 said:
She's very popular, and the message it presents to the rest of the country, or perhaps importantly to moderate labour voters like myself is that if you're not hard enough left, you can fuck off.
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Popular with whom?


And she is being deselected for being a gobshite who is never seen in her constituency, fuck all to do with how left wing you, despite how these crappy MPs like to frame it.

She just isn't that good at her job.


Self promotion she is great at, constituency duty not so much.

Also I would consider myself a moderate labour voter in the traditional sense.
 
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urban genie said:
Popular with whom?


And she is being deselected for being a gobshite who is never seen in her constituency, fuck all to do with how left wing you, despite how these crappy MPs like to frame it.

She just isn't that good at her job.


Self promotion she is great at, constituency duty not so much.

Also I would consider myself a moderate labour voter in the traditional sense.
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Having taken her seat off a LibDem, then getting over 50% of the votes in the last election, I'd argue she's quite popular there for a start. She comes across as fairly straight talking, especially so for a politician, and people like her for it.

She's not Corbyn's biggest fan, so I get it that you don't like her, but as I say, I think it would look bad if she was deselected and almost certainly be painted in a negative light by the media.
 
joe123 said:
Having taken her seat off a LibDem, then getting over 50% of the votes in the last election, I'd argue she's quite popular there for a start. She comes across as fairly straight talking, especially so for a politician, and people like her for it.

She's not Corbyn's biggest fan, so I get it that you don't like her, but as I say, I think it would look bad if she was deselected and almost certainly be painted in a negative light by the media.
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You get me very wrong as I am not corbyns biggest fan either as many a post in this sub forum can prove.

In fact he isn't my kind of socialist far too middle of the ground soft left

I don't like her because, what you call straight talking an dhonest I call self publicity and hollow.


Wouldn't matter if ghandi, jesus crist and the fucking queen stood for labour atm they would all be demonised as far left loons
 
urban genie said:
You get me very wrong as I am not corbyns biggest fan either as many a post in this sub forum can prove.

In fact he isn't my kind of socialist far too middle of the ground soft left

I don't like her because, what you call straight talking an dhonest I call self publicity and hollow.


Wouldn't matter if ghandi, jesus crist and the fucking queen stood for labour atm they would all be demonised as far left loons
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Fair enough, apologies for that - i jumped to the conclusion as she's had some fairly disparaging things to say about him, that was your motivation.

I just think it it's foolish to start triggering these votes, when it could be saved until after Brexit. It looks petty, whether it's motivated by constituency performance or not. As you say, she's been good at promoting her own brand which is why I think she's generally quite liked. Kicking her out just wouldn't be a great look when you'd think Labour want to look as electable as possible.
 
joe123 said:
Fair enough, apologies for that - i jumped to the conclusion as she's had some fairly disparaging things to say about him, that was your motivation.

I just think it it's foolish to start triggering these votes, when it could be saved until after Brexit. It looks petty, whether it's motivated by constituency performance or not. As you say, she's been good at promoting her own brand which is why I think she's generally quite liked. Kicking her out just wouldn't be a great look when you'd think Labour want to look as electable as possible.
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Bit it cannpt be saved until brexit as they want her out before the next GE otherwise you are stuck woth her 5 years
 
urban genie said:
Bit it cannpt be saved until brexit as they want her out before the next GE otherwise you are stuck woth her 5 years
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If getting rid of her and her ilk alienates moderate voters, the next 5 years will be under Boris. I know what I'd prefer.
 
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