The Labour Party

worsleyweb said:
Corbyns labour pArty is way too left of centre to win any general election
Blair appealed to the left and centre
All labour are doing now is saying the things that appeal to people who are already labour members and voters

They have zero appeal to the people who they need to win an election

People won’t vote for Corbyn Abbott etc running the country
Would have loved Andy burnham myself
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I think burnham will make a play for it in the next year and would win an election. He appeals to a much broader base but is still very left wing so would be palatable to the unions that control labour.[/QUOTE]


Where exactly is burnham getting selected as an electoral candidate?

In jezzas original victory burnham was my second choice on the voting form, the rest never got a cross but he needs to get selected forst and then voted in.
 
urban genie said:
Yet consitenly since the policies of the last 3 years have been polled they have gotten support in the 80-90% range from the public.

But then when are labour policies really discussed bar brexit on the news channels?

All you get is a focus on Corbyn and clickbait journalism.

Politics is failing in this country because of an american style shift to personality rather than policy and party and also the 24hr rolling news need for stories that engage the public lile a soap opera.

Remove Jeremy and bring in a "moderate" will make no difference,if the press don't get what or who they want, that Labour leader will be in for negative press.

And this has happened to the tories too in one pr two ocassion.
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What those screaming for a "moderate" leader don't understand is that the Labour Party had one for five years in Ed Miliband and he was stabbed in the back by the third way blairites, stabbed in the front by the media and lost Labour seats.

It's not the Labour left that gave us the Iraq war, the financial crisis, austerity and Brexit, it was "moderate" third way blairites and one nation Tories.

Fuck em.

Corbyn isn't going to triangulate his way to victory, he'll present his policies to the people and attempt to convince them as he did in 2017, and if folk don't like what he offers and can't bring themselves to vote Tory, then they can fuck off to the Lib Dems.

End of story.
 
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The perfect fumble said:
What those screaming for a "moderate" leader don't understand is that the Labour Party had one for five years in Ed Miliband and he was stabbed in the back by the third way blairites, stabbed in the front by the media and lost Labour seats.

It's not the Labour left that gave us the Iraq war, the financial crisis, austerity and Brexit, it was "moderate" third way blairites and one nation Tories.

Fuck em.

Corbyn isn't going to triangulate his way to victory, he'll present his policies to the people and attempt to convince them as he did in 2017, and if folk don't like what he offers and can't bring themselves to vote Tory, then they can fuck off to the Lib Dems.

End of story.
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That top quote isn't mine why has it been edited to look that way
 
urban genie said:
The reason and this is the main reason with members, not the cranks on twitter and other social media platforms that these MPs are disliked is that the likes of Phillips is a gobshite, and hogs media attention before constituency duty.

I ain't arsed if she hates jezza as leader a lot of the PLP do, however it was the constant appearances on telly to criticise the party or be sketchy on her support for policy.
Admitedly after owen smiths failed leadership bid she has stepped back and focused more on single issues, but she still has a poor record on attending surgery.
Berger, I have been at conference and meeting of affiliates and she is quite vacant when it comes to political nounce and was a parachute candidate that the clp had forced upon themin the first place so never truly accepted.

I don't care if MPs on any side want to disagree with their respective leaders, that is democracy, however do your duty at a constituency and there are some that never even visit.
My MP Azfal Khan is in the constituency weekly.or fortnightly and attends many events aranged, I must admit I see Graham Stringer at Harpurhaley many a time in the month at north city library doung surgeries.

Yet you have people.like Phillips who sends her PPS to surgery anf Jo Swinson who apparently has visited her constituency 3 times in the last year.
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That’s a fair point and I am always inclined to take your views on board, as you were absolutely spot on about Tom Watson.

I just find it always seems to be those critical of Corbyn who face this sort of thing.

So my question is it definitely because she’s not doing her job properly, or is it because she’s critical of the leader?
 
Ban-jani said:
That’s a fair point and I am always inclined to take your views on board, as you were absolutely spot on about Tom Watson.

I just find it always seems to be those critical of Corbyn who face this sort of thing.

So my question is it definitely because she’s not doing her job properly, or is it because she’s critical of the leader?
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If she behaved herself and was mindful of the democratic wishes of the membership I am sure she would get a bit more latitude in her approach from her CLP. As she does neither then I am not the least bit surprised her CLP want her out in favour of somebody who will resect the democratic will of the membership and be a good local MP.

They go hand in hand mate
 
Rascal said:
We need to convince voters about the good in Socialism. Selling them neo-liberalism under a red banner is not Socialism.
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New Labour wasn’t neoliberal.

It had some aspects of it and was capitalism but neoliberal fundamentally includes austerity and Blair’s governments put into public services, not taking away from it.

Anyway, I’m not saying we need to sell Blairism, I’m saying we need to accommodate the entirety of the left and centre to win.

Having left/Social Democratic policies is great but we need to still keep MP’s in certain areas, that might be closer to the centre, as well as get the type of people who wanted Andy Burnham to be leader to continue to vote Labour.

There’s no point in targeting only socialists, as there aren’t enough to win an election.
 
Rascal said:
If she behaved herself and was mindful of the democratic wishes of the membership I am sure she would get a bit more latitude in her approach from her CLP. As she does neither then I am not the least bit surprised her CLP want her out in favour of somebody who will resect the democratic will of the membership and be a good local MP.

They go hand in hand mate
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Apart from the knife comment, what has she done to not behave?

I’m not exactly a Phillips fan or anything, pretty indifferent to her. I’m just trying to find out why yet another well known Labour MP is facing deselection, and one in which just happens to disagree with Corbyn.
 
Ban-jani said:
Apart from the knife comment, what has she done to not behave?

I’m not exactly a Phillips fan or anything, pretty indifferent to her. I’m just trying to find out why yet another well known Labour MP is facing deselection, and one in which just happens to disagree with Corbyn.
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She should have had the whip withdrawn for the knife comment alone.

Her and her acolytes have continually sniped at the democratic choice of the membership in a way I never did when Blair was leader as I respected democracy. She does not respect democracy and therefore has to go, just as the rest who don't should also go.

Its not disagreeing with Corbyn, it is disagreeing with the membership. That in a democratic party is unforgiveable.
 
Ban-jani said:
Apart from the knife comment, what has she done to not behave?

I’m not exactly a Phillips fan or anything, pretty indifferent to her. I’m just trying to find out why yet another well known Labour MP is facing deselection, and one in which just happens to disagree with Corbyn.
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She has been an MP for 4 years, she is only well known because she self publicises and the likes of peston love her on because she will criticise the party, she is modern MP for the clickbait generation.

The reason some are being questioned by CLPs is that under stewardship of the the last few NECs any CLP that voiced concerns about their MP seemed to get suspended for periods.

Believe me under the new labour years members were treated with contempt, suspicion and a firm hand, that's why membership dropped as the years went on
 
Rascal said:
She should have had the whip withdrawn for the knife comment alone.

Her and her acolytes have continually sniped at the democratic choice of the membership in a way I never did when Blair was leader as I respected democracy. She does not respect democracy and therefore has to go, just as the rest who don't should also go.

Its not disagreeing with Corbyn, it is disagreeing with the membership. That in a democratic party is unforgiveable.
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Surely disagreeing with the leader is her democratic right?

Corbyn criticises Blair, marched against him and voted against the Labour Government countless times.

I’m not saying he shouldn’t have and he did do so more seriously and professionally than Phillips but Labour shouldn’t be an echo chamber.
 
Rascal said:
She should have had the whip withdrawn for the knife comment alone.

Her and her acolytes have continually sniped at the democratic choice of the membership in a way I never did when Blair was leader as I respected democracy. She does not respect democracy and therefore has to go, just as the rest who don't should also go.

Its not disagreeing with Corbyn, it is disagreeing with the membership. That in a democratic party is unforgiveable.
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Yep.

The right in the Labour party love to talk about Labour as a broad church, as long as they lead it.

When they don't they scream cult, entryism, Trotskyist, hard left, cabal, until their little heads explode, all egged on by the Mail, Telegraph, the Murdoch empire and the BBC.
 
urban genie said:
She has been an MP for 4 years, she is only well known because she self publicises and the likes of peston love her on because she will criticise the party, she is modern MP for the clickbait generation.

The reason some are being questioned by CLPs is that under stewardship of the the last few NECs any CLP that voiced concerns about their MP seemed to get suspended for periods.

Believe me under the new labour years members were treated with contempt, suspicion and a firm hand, that's why membership dropped as the years went on
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I’m not just blaming the left of the party, I don’t think any of the infighting helps the Labour cause and Labour just needs to get on with beating the Tories.
 
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urban genie said:
She has been an MP for 4 years, she is only well known because she self publicises and the likes of peston love her on because she will criticise the party, she is modern MP for the clickbait generation.

The reason some are being questioned by CLPs is that under stewardship of the the last few NECs any CLP that voiced concerns about their MP seemed to get suspended for periods.

Believe me under the new labour years members were treated with contempt, suspicion and a firm hand, that's why membership dropped as the years went on
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Chris Leslie was renowned for that. He wouldn't appear at any meetings. And had gimmicky Constituancy days at places like Sainsbury's for an hour. Advertising himself with no literature from the party. He didn't even have the LP logo on the banner saying who he was.
 
Ban-jani said:
I’m not just blaming the left of the party, I don’t think any of the infighting helps the Labour cause and Labour just needs to get on with beating the Tories.
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Agreed.

And that's what's pisses me off about being on the left. 80% of stuff we all agree on. We then split over the 20% rather than agree to disagree. That's my own experience from attending meetings of Labour and various other left leaning political groups.
 
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