Not meaning to have a go bud, apologies if it came across that way.
To start with there was/is a misconception about how much support JC had. It was 60-70% of members pre election (not 90+). Only needs 10% of Corbyn supporters to favour a moderate. Momentum are about 10% of the vote and even some of them may have had a rude awakening.Although RLB £100 at 7/2 is looking very, very tempting. I still think she will win it. No-one thought Milliband would win and ditto Corbyn, but the party members had other ideas. Is there any evidence that they have en-masse, changed their tune? I don't think there is. They are still in their "it was the right policies" coma.
Gardiner's to make it 7.
This is turning into our own democratic presidential race.
Well I’d argue the ‘take back control of our borders’ resonated well amongst a substantial number of people and I’d say they’d subsequently expect to see less low skilled foreign workers in their towns. If the points system dictates that fruit pickers are high value as there’s no one here who wants to do it, we’re just continuing with what we’ve got already albeit under a different name. Granted I’m using a bit of a cliche here, but people are going to expect to see some tangible difference on immigration post EU departure
She's drifted to 9/2 now absolutely friendlies in the betting. Keir Starmer getting hammered in to short odds on.I go 5/2 and then got 4/1
I am not seeing it as certain -more likely an even money chance - so the odds are/were just wrong
I get your point but it’s one in which will rarely, if at ever, happen. The kinds of skills we’ll miss are likely to be quite specific and with only focusing the points to get you in on areas we are short, there will be a tangible difference anyway.
I’m also not particularly keen on describing concerns over immigration as “knuckle dragging”. We had 13 years of New Labour encouraging as much immigration as possible into the country, no matter the skills and it’s resulted in some communities changing drastically, our infrastructure and housing being heavily burdened and a lack of integration in some areas.
Being concerned with the above doesn’t make someone unevolved.
Anyway as I say, being specific on what skills to you need, within a points system, is going to massively reduce the 100,000’s that come net per year now.
It was unnecessarily pejorative true. Just a bit of post-Brexit toy-throwing because EU migration is a net contributor to the economy.
Agree the points system should bring it down in theory - we can say no to everyone now. I guess it depends on the needs of the economy as to what happens. Hopefully it doesn’t annoy the people worried about social issues, housing etc.
Get your money on Starmer.
There's the small matter of him being an utter wanker as well. That tends to put people off.Gardiner is hated by remainers he has zero chance.
There's the small matter of him being an utter wanker as well. That tends to put people off.
I think it probably depends on how the economy goes over the next five years. If it’s on the floor, they’ll be the rejoining party and, if it’s not, Brexit won’t get a mention.Will Labour become a rejoiner party, or are they now willing to accept the referendum result? Or does that depend on the new leadership? Genuine questions btw.
I have been a trade union member all my life and as I am now retired I pay something like £2.21 per month and I still get benefits from the Union one of which is a vote in the Labour leadership election.So you pay to be a Labour party member so you can vote for an unelectable opposition leader. Of course you do. How noble.
I will make a definitive statement, bookmark if you like, that this country has about as much chance of rejoiningWill Labour become a rejoiner party, or are they now willing to accept the referendum result? Or does that depend on the new leadership? Genuine questions btw.
Was Abbott so lacking in self-awareness that she thought stating her support would be helpful???Diane Abbot has backed RLB and Burgeon. It's over for them. Nothing could be worse than a DA endorsement.