The Labour Party

jay_mcfc said:
And if the right of the party hadn't sabotaged punishment of antisemites?

Labour aren't winning anything any time soon, the in-fighting will see to that regardless of how anything else goes.
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You're right about Labour not winning anything any time soon, but you're wrong about in-fighting.

The Blair/Brown years were not riven with ideological in-fighting, they were dominated by political in-fighting, driven by two men's political ambitions. In a quest for power, the Blair and Brown camp slugged it out for ten years, but ideologically there was barely a fag papers difference between them. For the most part the left were merely bystanders, even opposition to the Iraq war wasn't led by them.

Then Brown lost the election.

Under Ed miliband the Blairites/Brownites went on strike and then to open revolt under Corbyn, but they won't do that now. So Starmer is in a strong position, the right has his back and he has little to fear from the left, despite what our resident knee jerkers might say.

The Labour left is considerably more compliant than our right wing bull shitters let on, they've learned over many years to eat copious amounts of shit under establishment figure leaders. Of course the left will try to prevent Starmer from rolling back on all the promises he made during the leadership election, but if he's good for 25% of what he promised they'll be happy enough.

Perversely, Starmer got my vote because I think he was lying through his teeth during the leadership hustings, I'm banking on him ditching a whole chunk of that nonsense.

Rebecca Long-Bailey didn't get my vote because she really meant it, plus the fact she had all the gravitas of wet toilet paper.
 
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Ban-jani said:
You’re part of that group of cultists, I’ve seen your posts.

No I’m not a mod, are you?

You’re the one that felt the need to get involved when it had fuck all to do with you.

Rather than coming on to make personal attacks, why don’t you actually tackle anything I’ve said on Labour?

No I don’t think people are scared of me, it’s just you all chirp up when you’ve had a drink, like a bunch of schoolboys with a bit of Dutch courage.
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When I've had a drink, cultist, ganging up...
Yeh I'm the problem here! Fuck me what a lunatic. You against the world eh Benjie.
I'm a confirmed labour supporter, never tried to hide it but being labelled a cultist, rabid leftie, hard left egotist and attack dog tends to stifle debate?
Mr starmer wasn't my choice, I don't think he can think on his feet and would have liked Lisa nandie, a woman leader of the labour party is long overdue and she has some cohonas, still, we'll see.
 
blue cigar said:
When I've had a drink, cultist, ganging up...
Yeh I'm the problem here! Fuck me what a lunatic. You against the world eh Benjie.
I'm a confirmed labour supporter, never tried to hide it but being labelled a cultist, rabid leftie, hard left egotist and attack dog tends to stifle debate?
Mr starmer wasn't my choice, I don't think he can think on his feet and would have liked Lisa nandie, a woman leader of the labour party is long overdue and she has some cohonas, still, we'll see.
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Embarrassing tbh when labour has had more knights of the realm as leaders than women.
 
blue cigar said:
When I've had a drink, cultist, ganging up...
Yeh I'm the problem here! Fuck me what a lunatic. You against the world eh Benjie.
I'm a confirmed labour supporter, never tried to hide it but being labelled a cultist, rabid leftie, hard left egotist and attack dog tends to stifle debate?
Mr starmer wasn't my choice, I don't think he can think on his feet and would have liked Lisa nandie, a woman leader of the labour party is long overdue and she has some cohonas, still, we'll see.
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Maybe think again before coming on making a snide comment, without even quoting the person, calling them a parody account and then fucking whinging about the response.

Starmer is the best option out of the lot, Nandy is vastly unqualified.
 
When it comes to dark arts in the Labour Party, the right, or the Blairite establishment, which is effectively the same thing, are a real piece of work.

LOTO stands for Leader Of The Opposition



It's no wonder Starmer didn't want this report to see the light of day.
 
The perfect fumble said:
You're right about Labour not winning anything any time soon, but you're wrong about in-fighting.

The Blair/Brown years were not riven with ideological in-fighting, they were dominated by political in-fighting, driven by two men's political ambitions. In a quest for power, the Blair and Brown camp slugged it out for ten years, but ideologically there was barely a fag papers difference between them. For the most part the left were merely bystanders, even opposition to the Iraq war wasn't led by them.

Then Brown lost the election.

Under Ed miliband the Blairites/Brownites went on strike and then to open revolt under Corbyn, but they won't do that now. So Starmer is in a strong position, the right has his back and he has little to fear from the left, despite what our resident knee jerkers might say.

The Labour left is considerably more compliant than our right wing bull shitters let on, they've learned over many years to eat copious amounts of shit under establishment figure leaders. Of course the left will try to prevent Starmer from rolling back on all the promises he made during the leadership election, but if he's good for 25% of what he promised they'll be happy enough.

Perversely, Starmer got my vote because I think he was lying through his teeth during the leadership hustings, I'm banking on him ditching a whole chunk of that nonsense.

Rebecca Long-Bailey didn't get my vote because she really meant it, plus the fact she had all the gravitas of wet toilet paper.
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The Blairites are far smarter.

They didn’t tell other party voters to fuck off to the Tories or LibDems and then sulk when they got the biggest election kicking for almost a century.
 
The far left winging about the same tactics they have employed for decades. Karma. And a plague on both houses.
Just shows. Party members are more concerned about the party than the country.
Tories will love all this and all the sheep and lemmings following it. Divide and conquer indeed.
The rest of the country will not register this.
 
Hart of the Matter said:
The far left winging about the same tactics they have employed for decades. Karma.
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Nope, quite the opposite, there were no kangaroo courts for Blairites, no forced de-selections.
Hart of the Matter said:
Just shows. Party members are more concerned about the party than the country.
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This is about Labour Party staff , primarily at Party HQ and Blairite MPs plotting and scheming, it has fuck all to do with the Party members.

Other than that, great post.
 
The perfect fumble said:
Nope, quite the opposite, there were no kangaroo courts for Blairites, no forced de-selections.


This is about Labour Party staff , primarily at Party HQ and Blairite MPs plotting and scheming, it has fuck all to do with the Party members.

Other than that, great post.
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I was talking about the reaction to a leaked report not the people pointed at in the report. Not just momentum but all wings of the party. But i agree with your first point.
 
Hart of the Matter said:
The far left *winging about the same tactics they have employed for decades. Karma. And a plague on both houses.
Just shows. Party members are more concerned about the party than the country.
Tories will love all this and all the sheep and lemmings following it. Divide and conquer indeed.
The rest of the country will not register this.
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*whinging
 
Hart of the Matter said:
I was talking about the reaction to a leaked report not the people pointed at in the report. Not just momentum but all wings of the party. But i agree with your first point.
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The report is a parting shot, a knuckle sandwich farewell, a little drop of truth to remind those who care, that facts matter, that the smear campaign was orchestrated by Blairites and echoed in the media as stone cold fact.

The Labour Party is not an anti-Semitic Party, Corbyn is not an anti-Semite, the Party does not have a history of anti-Semitism, it has no anti-Semitic policies. Ed Miliband Labour Party leader leader between 2010 and 2015 came from a Jewish family. Starmer, elected by this so called anti-Semitic Party, is married to a woman whose father is Jewish.

The whole anti-Semitism smear was nothing more than disgusting dark arts politics based on fuck all.
 
The perfect fumble said:
The report is a parting shot, a knuckle sandwich farewell, a little drop of truth to remind those who care, that facts matter, that the smear campaign was orchestrated by Blairites and echoed in the media as stone cold fact.

The Labour Party is not an anti-Semitic Party, Corbyn is not an anti-Semite, the Party does not have a history of anti-Semitism, it has no anti-Semitic policies. Ed Miliband Labour Party leader leader between 2010 and 2015 came from a Jewish family. Starmer, elected by this so called anti-Semitic Party, is married to a woman whose father is Jewish.

The whole anti-Semitism smear was nothing more than disgusting dark arts politics based on fuck all.
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I agree. As I said, a plague on both houses.
 
The perfect fumble said:
You're right about Labour not winning anything any time soon, but you're wrong about in-fighting.

The Blair/Brown years were not riven with ideological in-fighting, they were dominated by political in-fighting, driven by two men's political ambitions. In a quest for power, the Blair and Brown camp slugged it out for ten years, but ideologically there was barely a fag papers difference between them. For the most part the left were merely bystanders, even opposition to the Iraq war wasn't led by them.

Then Brown lost the election.

Under Ed miliband the Blairites/Brownites went on strike and then to open revolt under Corbyn, but they won't do that now. So Starmer is in a strong position, the right has his back and he has little to fear from the left, despite what our resident knee jerkers might say.

The Labour left is considerably more compliant than our right wing bull shitters let on, they've learned over many years to eat copious amounts of shit under establishment figure leaders. Of course the left will try to prevent Starmer from rolling back on all the promises he made during the leadership election, but if he's good for 25% of what he promised they'll be happy enough.

Perversely, Starmer got my vote because I think he was lying through his teeth during the leadership hustings, I'm banking on him ditching a whole chunk of that nonsense.

Rebecca Long-Bailey didn't get my vote because she really meant it, plus the fact she had all the gravitas of wet toilet paper.
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starmer got your vote because you thought he was full of shit?
Long Bailey looked like she was honest so she’s not for you?

Labour Party members in fine shape I see
 
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