The Labour Party

[Gray]

It was The witch of Grantham who managed to change the narrative and turn into the Union's fault.

Visited the Palace of Westminter a couple of years back (highly recommended), and in one of the lobby's there was a statue of the said lady but unfortunately without her broomstick. She absolutely hated it because she said it was not at all flattering, it was in fact bloody brilliant and summed her up to a "T".

 

[somapop]

Visited the Palace of Westminter a couple of years back (highly recommended), and in one of the lobby's there was a statue of the said lady but unfortunately without her broomstick. She absolutely hated it because she said it was not at all flattering, it was in fact bloody brilliant and summed her up to a "T".
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That finger is something the Pope would 'like' on the 'gram...

 

[Fame Monster]

Just in case anyone claims that Momentum don't represent the views of a significant proportion of the Labour Party:



The scary thing is that proportion has grown a lot since 2019 because Corbyn parachuted his Momentum pals into the metropolitan safe seats meanwhile his red wall MPs who understood the needs of the majority of the country got kicked out of their working class constituencies.

 

[urban genie]

The scary thing is that proportion has grown a lot since 2019 because Corbyn parachuted his Momentum pals into the metropolitan safe seats meanwhile his red wall MPs who understood the needs of the majority of the country got kicked out of their working class constituencies.

Whom and whats seats?

Nearly all sitting labour MPs in Citys are long serving ones.

The most recent new MP in Manchster is Azfal Khan and I was at that selction process he wasn't the momentum of corbyn choice voted for as candidate by the Gorton CLP

 

[Postman Pep]

Just in case anyone claims that Momentum don't represent the views of a significant proportion of the Labour Party:



The scary thing is that proportion has grown a lot since 2019 because Corbyn parachuted his Momentum pals into the metropolitan safe seats meanwhile his red wall MPs who understood the needs of the majority of the country got kicked out of their working class constituencies.

Any chance of providing a list of these momentum fifth columnists that have been 'parachuted' into safe seats? I won't wait up....

 

[Fame Monster]

Any chance of providing a list of these momentum fifth columnists that have been 'parachuted' into safe seats? I won't wait up....

Redirect Notice

Would be interesting to see how many on that list are members of Momentum: I'd guess most were. There's already 3 or 4 of them in that Momentum video I posted above. Not all of them were parachuted into their position by the leadership, that's true, but I remember the parachuting accusations being levelled at Claudia Webbe's selection for example, an MP now on trial for harassment.

The broader point I'm trying to make is that the politics of Momentum hold a worrying amount of sway in the Labour Party still.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Can you provide the examples though?

Lets take two featured in the video:

Bell Ribeiro-Addy was backed by Momentum, true. But she was also backed by Unite, ASLEF, TSSA and BFAWU, as well as high-profile left-wing MPs and shadow cabinet members, plus Streatham Labour Left.

She was also born and grew up in the local area. picked in a selection process.

Bell Ribeiro-Addy set to replace Chuka Umunna in Streatham - LabourList

A key Labour left victory took place on Saturday, as Bell Ribeiro-Addy won the Streatham selection contest and…

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Zara Sultana

Born and bred in the West Midlands, from Birmingham, 26-year-old Sultana ran as a Labour candidate to represent the region in May’s European elections and works for the regional party.

As a Unite workplace rep considered to be on the Labour left, the successful candidate’s campaign was backed by Unite the Union, Momentum, the FBU, CWU and BFAWU.

Labour organiser Zarah Sultana picked to fight Coventry South - LabourList

Zarah Sultana, one of the Labour Party’s community organisers, was selected on Thursday to replace retiring incumbent Jim…

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Claudia Webbe was "parachuted" I will give you that, but only because Keith Vaz chose to retire on the 11th of November, by which time it was too late to run a selection process. Although she was born, grew up and went to university in Leicester, so perhaps saying she was parachuted is unfair given the usual connotations.

Claudia Webbe takes place of Keith Vaz in Leicester East - LabourList

Claudia Webbe – a high-profile Islington councillor and member of Labour’s ruling body – has been chosen as…

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Check out the Vauxhall selection process. The winning candidate is reported to have won on second preference votes instead of the momentum backed candidate, because those voting for the momentum candidate didn't want the leadership backed Ibrahim Dogus to win. This seems to run against the picture you were painting of momentum being Corbyn's loyal 5th column parachuting stooges into safe seats

Super Sunday: Labour candidate selection results - LabourList

Labour’s Super Sunday has arrived. Selections are concluding today in: defector seats Nottingham East and Liverpool Wavertree; retirement seats Bassetlaw, Poplar…

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[Postman Pep]

Redirect Notice

Would be interesting to see how many on that list are members of Momentum: I'd guess most were. There's already 3 or 4 of them in that Momentum video I posted above. Not all of them were parachuted into their position by the leadership, that's true, but I remember the parachuting accusations being levelled at Claudia Webbe's selection for example, an MP now on trial for harassment.

The broader point I'm trying to make is that the politics of Momentum hold a worrying amount of sway in the Labour Party still.

So no parachuting then? Just an open selection process except for the one example explained above.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Just in case anyone claims that Momentum don't represent the views of a significant proportion of the Labour Party:



The scary thing is that proportion has grown a lot since 2019 because Corbyn parachuted his Momentum pals into the metropolitan safe seats meanwhile his red wall MPs who understood the needs of the majority of the country got kicked out of their working class constituencies.

The amazing thing about these people is their total unawareness, the things they parrot have been resoundingly rejected by the electorate, yet they never seem to learn.

 

[Vic]

Just in case anyone claims that Momentum don't represent the views of a significant proportion of the Labour Party:



The scary thing is that proportion has grown a lot since 2019 because Corbyn parachuted his Momentum pals into the metropolitan safe seats meanwhile his red wall MPs who understood the needs of the majority of the country got kicked out of their working class constituencies.

Some Momentum supporters went round campaigning for "their" Labour candidates in Tory-held seats, ignoring what the anti-Corbyn Labour voters were telling them, and not helping their own sitting Labour MPs they'd tried to deselect, who were losing their seats.

 

[blueinsa]

Just in case anyone claims that Momentum don't represent the views of a significant proportion of the Labour Party:



The scary thing is that proportion has grown a lot since 2019 because Corbyn parachuted his Momentum pals into the metropolitan safe seats meanwhile his red wall MPs who understood the needs of the majority of the country got kicked out of their working class constituencies.

Watching that you can spot the paid up members of momentum on here easily enough.

 

[Scottyboi]

Fuck me Momentum really are going to drive Labour into the ground, viva the Green party.

 

[urban genie]

Watching that you can spot the paid up members of momentum on here easily enough.

Your tackle needs more bait when fishing mate ;-)

 

[blueinsa]

Your tackle needs more bait when fishing mate ;-)

I was being entirely serious.

It's almost word for word that video and certain posts on here.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Well done Labour. Best you’ve done for years.

 

[Fame Monster]

Personally, I think Galloway's a crank but he's been spot on of recent about the bourgeois direction the LP has headed towards.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Personally, I think Galloway's a crank but he's been spot on of recent about the bourgeois direction the LP has headed towards.

There are far more middle class people as a % of the population than there were in 1967.

 

[Rascal]

The broader point I'm trying to make is that the politics of Momentum hold a worrying amount of sway in the Labour Party still.

Tell me then how that happens. They have nowhere near a majority in the party even after the exodus of the left. They cannot outvote the majority on policy. They can support a policy or be against a policy but they cannot win on there own because of numbers.

And i wonder who you think momentum actually are? There is no evidence at all of entryism from far left organisations, it is a grass roots campaigning organisation based on the model that Bernie Sanders used in the USA.

Also many of the leading lights in Momentum are Jewish, people such as Lansman, Schneider and Klug, so if Labour is antisemitic then surely they would have nothing to do with momentum at all. Or are you being antisemitic and blaming Jews for having undue worrying influence over the Labour Party?

In the latest NEC elections, not one momentum backed person was elected.

At the 2017 Momentum conference, the speakers were Ed Milband and Tony Blair's speechwriter. So if that is what you mean by influence then maybe you are right.


I have said for a long time on here the influence is hugely overstated, but the media loves a bogey man that they can project as being like militant. They are far from being like Militant and i have said on here before i left the movement because i thought their aims were not left wing enough for me.

 

[bluejon]

Personally, I think Galloway's a crank but he's been spot on of recent about the bourgeois direction the LP has headed towards.

Urghhhh. Having to put up with this twat driving round Levenshulme and Gorton for a month on his battle bus, gobbing off with a mega-phone, was enough of him to last me for a life time. Absolute prize whopper.

 

[Fame Monster]

Tell me then how that happens. They have nowhere near a majority in the party even after the exodus of the left. They cannot outvote the majority on policy. They can support a policy or be against a policy but they cannot win on there own because of numbers.

And i wonder who you think momentum actually are? There is no evidence at all of entryism from far left organisations, it is a grass roots campaigning organisation based on the model that Bernie Sanders used in the USA.

Also many of the leading lights in Momentum are Jewish, people such as Lansman, Schneider and Klug, so if Labour is antisemitic then surely they would have nothing to do with momentum at all. Or are you being antisemitic and blaming Jews for having undue worrying influence over the Labour Party?

In the latest NEC elections, not one momentum backed person was elected.

At the 2017 Momentum conference, the speakers were Ed Milband and Tony Blair's speechwriter. So if that is what you mean by influence then maybe you are right.


I have said for a long time on here the influence is hugely overstated, but the media loves a bogey man that they can project as being like militant. They are far from being like Militant and i have said on here before i left the movement because i thought their aims were not left wing enough for me.

The reason I used the phrase 'politics of Momentum' is because the organisation itself might not have the same degree of control it once had but its politics still have a huge influence on the party. That's evident by the number of Labour MPs now representing the metropolitan safe-seats Parliament who parrot many of its policies or appear in its promotional videos but might not actually be paid up members of Momentum.