The Labour Party

[urban genie]

This is deeply worrying.

more and more tales of a slow erosion of equilibrium amongst who will be allowed in the high levels of the party and less involvement from members amd affiliates deemed unsuitable for the leaders vision

 

[Ban-jani]

I’ve just caught up with Lisa Nandy’s views over the last few weeks.

They’re actually unelectable again, despite how much integrity Starmer has.

It’s his fault for appointing her but fuck me, he’s got his work cut out for him.

 

[urban genie]

What a stratergy from labour HQ.


We need fresh ideas so let's consult Peter Mandelson on the way forward.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

What a stratergy from labour HQ.


We need fresh ideas so let's consult Peter Mandelson on the way forward.

Most likely way into power as things look now is through a coalition with the SNP by promising another indy-ref. Whether that's a good idea or indeed may decimate the labour vote in England I don't know.

 

[Ban-jani]

Most likely way into power as things look now is through a coalition with the SNP by promising another indy-ref. Whether that's a good idea or indeed may decimate the labour vote in England I don't know.

If this is the strategy Labour are going down, they are done for, if they are not already.

The Tories will just stand in 2024 saying “vote Labour for another independence referendum” and literally nobody in England, but for the odd city centre middle class, latte sipping ideologue, will put a cross anywhere near their name.

Very few in England want the Union broken up and Labour using the toxic SNP to get into power is a strategy that will put them in mither.

Even if they succeed, if Scotland votes yes, they will be known as the worst government in history.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Most likely way into power as things look now is through a coalition with the SNP by promising another indy-ref. Whether that's a good idea or indeed may decimate the labour vote in England I don't know.

If they decide to side with wee Krankie's mob, an 80 seat Tory majority will soar well past the 100 mark. Any party aligning with them is doomed, well, the LibDems can align with who they like as they're irrelevant anyway, but going down that road is suicidal imo.

 

[blue cigar]

If this is the strategy Labour are going down, they are done for, if they are not already.

The Tories will just stand in 2024 saying “vote Labour for another independence referendum” and literally nobody in England, but for the odd city centre middle class, latte sipping ideologue, will put a cross anywhere near their name.

Very few in England want the Union broken up and Labour using the toxic SNP to get into power is a strategy that will put them in mither.

Even if they succeed, if Scotland votes yes, they will be known as the worst government in history.

SNP are toxic?? I think a great many people in England would not be averse to Scotland going independent, I would say the Tory govt are in another league if we are talking toxic.
Labour are done anyway, as unelectable now as they were 2 years ago, it will split eventually and it needs to quite frankly.
Starmer is utterly clueless, a vacuum of a leader and he is well on the way to isolating the left of the party. A high number of former labour voters in Scotland have turned to the SNP anyway, including me.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

SNP are toxic?? I think a great many people in England would not be averse to Scotland going independent, I would say the Tory govt are in another league if we are talking toxic.
Labour are done anyway, as unelectable now as they were 2 years ago, it will split eventually and it needs to quite frankly.
Starmer is utterly clueless, a vacuum of a leader and he is well on the way to isolating the left of the party. A high number of former labour voters in Scotland have turned to the SNP anyway, including me.

Without PR though such a split would end in perpetual Tory rule.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

I used to house share with a Bristolian girl that wanted to vote SNP in England after watching TV debates. If only we can find more idiots like Vote Leave managed to.

 

[Ban-jani]

SNP are toxic?? I think a great many people in England would not be averse to Scotland going independent, I would say the Tory govt are in another league if we are talking toxic.
Labour are done anyway, as unelectable now as they were 2 years ago, it will split eventually and it needs to quite frankly.
Starmer is utterly clueless, a vacuum of a leader and he is well on the way to isolating the left of the party. A high number of former labour voters in Scotland have turned to the SNP anyway, including me.

Yes. They are the most toxic political party on the British Isles at the moment.

You can vote for whoever you like and you don’t need to tell anyone about it.

Scottish Independence in England is 80/20% against/for, polling wise, and hasn’t changed much from 20% for, for many many years.

In polling terms, this is a huge number in favour of the Union, and its even more favourable than the monarchy and only 4% behind the NHS, in terms of public opinion in favour of it, in England.

 

[Ban-jani]

I used to house share with a Bristolian girl that wanted to vote SNP in England after watching TV debates. If only we can find more idiots like Vote Leave managed to.

Lucky her

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Lucky her

You remind me of her, you have a lot in common.

 

[Ban-jani]

You remind me of her, you have a lot in common.

We both thought you’re an annoying ****?




(that’s a joke FYI)

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

We both thought you’re an annoying ****?




(that’s a joke FYI)

Don’t you mean a half-joke like the other night with the flags? :)

Just one, admittedly absurd example of someone uninformed wanting to vote for something they had little understanding of.

Of course there are are different forms like those that read Facebook memes about pensions being better in Germany and assume we are being fucked over and bring up WW2, or 2021 cheerleaders of austerity.

 

[Ban-jani]

Don’t you mean a half-joke like the other night with the flags? :)

Just one, admittedly absurd example of someone uninformed wanting to vote for something they had little understanding of.

Of course there are are different forms like those that read Facebook memes about pensions being better in Germany and assume we are being fucked over and bring up WW2, or 2021 cheerleaders of austerity.

Ahh, you’re going down “you’re uninformed that’s why you vote the way you do”.

This tactic has worked brilliantly for your side of the argument in recent years. Please keep saying it to anyone that disagrees with you, it’ll ensure your politics never get in again.

The fact is, you obviously don’t know who I voted for, to express this gutter point.

Oh, and I don’t have social media at all, apart from this forum, if that counts?

 

[urban genie]

Last surveý on it in sep 2020

Seems quite a few are like me, don't give a shite if they choose to split then up to them, if they stay that's fine too

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Ahh, you’re going down “you’re uninformed that’s why you vote the way you do”.

This tactic has worked brilliantly for your side of the argument in recent years. Please keep saying it to anyone that disagrees with you, it’ll ensure your politics never get in again.

The fact is, you obviously don’t know who I voted for, to express this gutter point.

Oh, and I don’t have social media at all, apart from this forum, if that counts?

Lol. Only the 2021 austerity point refers to you.

I never actually said that garbage that you have assumed I believe everyone voting against my position is uninformed. Plenty of people on both sides would be, brexit was probably more appealing to these types because it was seen by some as anti-establishment and patriotic. I honestly couldn't care less who you vote for, there will never be a UK popular party with policies that neatly align with your own world view.

 

[Ban-jani]

Lol. Only the 2021 austerity point refers to you.

I never actually said that garbage that you have assumed I believe everyone voting against my position is uninformed. Plenty of people on both sides would be, brexit was probably more appealing to these types because it was seen by some as anti-establishment and patriotic. I honestly couldn't care less who you vote for, there will never be a UK popular party with policies that neatly align with your own world view.

And the absurdity is I don’t support austerity so yet again you’re trying to write a biography of me without actually knowing what I think.

What was this all about-

Just one, admittedly absurd example of someone uninformed wanting to vote for something they had little understanding of.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

And the absurdity is I don’t support austerity so yet again you’re trying to write a biography of me without actually knowing what I think.

What was this all about-

Good on you. I seem to recall you were recently making the case for the coalition's austerity, so good to see you don't support it now. I take the view it wasn't necessary on both occasions.

I have no inclination to write a biography about you, it was you who first responded to me in this thread. You are one of the more forward people in telling us your views, my perception of your views can only consist of what you say on here. I accept the limitations of thatand the possibility I'm wrong but so should you when you start referring to people collectively as commies.

It was a summary of what that meant to me, it wasn't about you. The Facebook memes post was about a former colleague who discussed it over lunch. I thought immediately it was simplistic and wrong but knew better to tell her otherwise. I'm not sure why you are struggling with the concept that people can be misinformed about politics and their voting intentions might be bent by this misunderstanding. Why would call me Dave keep on using Liam Byrne's "sorry, we have run out of money" note at the treasury unless this was the case?

 

[Ban-jani]

Good on you. I seem to recall you were recently making the case for the coalition's austerity, so good to see you don't support it now. I take the view it wasn't necessary on both occasions.

I have no inclination to write a biography about you, it was you who first responded to me in this thread. You are one of the more forward people in telling us your views, my perception of your views can only consist of what you say on here. I accept the limitations of thatand the possibility I'm wrong but so should you when you start referring to people collectively as commies.

It was a summary of what that meant to me, it wasn't about you. The Facebook memes post was about a former colleague who discussed it over lunch. I thought immediately it was simplistic and wrong but knew better to tell her otherwise. I'm not sure why you are struggling with the concept that people can be misinformed about politics and their voting intentions might be bent by this misunderstanding. Why would call me Dave keep on using Liam Byrne's "sorry, we have run out of money" note at the treasury unless this was the case?

I acknowledged the need for reducing the deficit, I just think the measures and targets were too hard and too quick. A cut back on spending was needed but I’d have had done it on a significantly lesser scale, over a longer period of time.

I made the point the British public voted them in twice on this ticket though, because of the acknowledgment of brining the deficit down.

My actual economic views are of capitalism that is regulated and a sufficient safety net for those who fall on hard times or cannot work.