The Labour Party

This “scum” comment is exactly the sort of thing that switches off people from voting for Labour or voting for anyone full stop as people just switch off from politics. Makes Labour look like they’re not a serious party, they’re just a party for spoilt brat students to vote for, the sort of people who are constantly using juvenile language like “scum” and “gammon”. Petty name calling should be beneath a serious political party.

Grow the fuck up Labour! Maybe then more mature people might start voting for you, as well as the student population and the grown ups who haven’t grown up yet.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
This “scum” comment is exactly the sort of thing that switches off people from voting for Labour or voting for anyone full stop as people just switch off from politics. Makes Labour look like they’re not a serious party, they’re just a party for spoilt brat students to vote for, the sort of people who are constantly using juvenile language like “scum” and “gammon”. Petty name calling should be beneath a serious political party.

Grow the fuck up Labour! Maybe then more mature people might start voting for you, as well as the student population and the grown ups who haven’t grown up yet.
Click to expand...
This is a non serious post.

More mature people? Are you one of these more mature people? This post doesn't suggest it.
 
ROCKET80 said:
This is a non serious post.

More mature people? Are you one of these more mature people? This post doesn't suggest it.
Click to expand...

Yep. "I'm more mature than you na na na "really gives off the vibes of being mature, it's like a teenager bragging about being the first to grow a beard and having a fake ID.

Using a word from the works of arguably the most important author of the Victorian era hardly makes someone immature.

It’s far more important to judge politicians by what they do than what they say, and stuff like graft, expenses abuses and breaking promises are more likely to be the cause of any disaffection with politics than throwing out valid insults.
 
Fode N The Hole said:
Yep. "I'm more mature than you na na na "really gives off the vibes of being mature, it's like a teenager bragging about being the first to grow a beard and having a fake ID.

Using a word from the works of arguably the most important author of the Victorian era hardly makes someone immature.

It’s far more important to judge politicians by what they do than what they say, and stuff like graft, expenses abuses and breaking promises are more likely to be the cause of any disaffection with politics than throwing out valid insults.
Click to expand...

Honestly the lengths people will go to to justify a pathetic comment. Now we are looking into the origins of the word from nearly 200 years ago as validity for what was said. Unbelievable.
 
WNRH said:
Honestly the lengths people will go to to justify a pathetic comment. Now we are looking into the origins of the word from nearly 200 years ago as validity for what was said. Unbelievable.
Click to expand...


What part of her comment do you find particularly pathetic and why?

I've said in another post the word is slightly uncouth but hardly requires the overreaction it is receiving. Far worse has been said in the not too recent past from senior politicians on both sides albeit more articulately put.
 
Fode N The Hole said:
Unbelievable. Did Angela Rayner say Gammon? No. Therefore the entire premise of your post is false. You could have just saved yourself the bother and googled.

web.archive.org

Turns out, Charles Dickens invented the concept of “gammon” in 1838

Am I dreaming, though?
web.archive.org web.archive.org
Click to expand...

The word being discussed is “scum” not “gammon”. You’re picking one word out of the post and adding no relevance to the matter which was Angela Rayner using the word “scum”. Whether the word gammon was created in the Victorian era is irrelevant. As PC states it’s use and that of scum has no place in serious politics and does nothing to improve things. It belongs in the playground which coincidently is where we all learn to grow up.
 
ROCKET80 said:
What part of her comment do you find particularly pathetic and why?

I've said in another post the word is slightly uncouth but hardly requires the overreaction it is receiving. Far worse has been said in the not too recent past from senior politicians on both sides albeit more articulately put.
Click to expand...

Labelling a whole group scum. Disagree with their policies by all means, show disgust at some of their members conduct currently and over the years definitely but don’t label a whole group by such a horrible word especially when you are in a position of power and responsibility and in desperate need of votes.

No serious politician has never and will never attack their opposition in such a way. It’s Donald Trump style politics but she seems to be defended because she’s from a working class background. I came from a working class background and none of the people I grew up with would ever dream of calling someone scum because we did not agree with their opinions and outlook on life, let alone in the public eye.

It’s irresponsible and does nothing to get the clowns out of office anytime soon. All it does is keep them in power longer as there is no serious opposition.
 
WNRH said:
The word being discussed is “scum” not “gammon”. You’re picking one word out of the post and adding no relevance to the matter which was Angela Rayner using the word “scum”. Whether the word gammon was created in the Victorian era is irrelevant. As PC states it’s use and that of scum has no place in serious politics and does nothing to improve things. It belongs in the playground which coincidently is where we all learn to grow up.
Click to expand...

Address this point to the person using gammon first then.

I'm not surprised gammon hits a nerve with some people.

I wasn't talking about how old the word was, I was talking about it's use prominent and critically well regarded author. Just another irrelevant strawman.

Serious people still going on about a four letter word used as an insult to a serial adulterer, compulsive liar and charlatan 48 hours after the event?

Maybe you didn't actually grow up after you left the playground.
 
With respect I think you're being a little oversensitive to a minor derogatory slang word. She could have used contemptible, deplorable...the meaning is the same but would no doubt not have seen the over the top reaction her comment is receiving.

If the word was used during debate in the House, then fair enough as there are standards around any derogatory language being used. Which Raynor has in past been guilty of.

This however was at an event for Labour activists at the Labour conference, a rallying cry to the troops if you like.

The public facing side of politics has forever and will forever be unserious; granted Trump, Boris, Bolsanaro and others have turned it up to eleven in recent years but this from Raynor is not in the same ball park.

Nothing Labour do will oust this lot, Brexit has destroyed the country. The current Boris Government are not fit for purpose and never have been, Labour were always and still are a better option, just that nobody wants to admit it.
 
apparently Elsie spent the day in wetherspoons and was pissed, it's her natural habitat
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
This “scum” comment is exactly the sort of thing that switches off people from voting for Labour or voting for anyone full stop as people just switch off from politics. Makes Labour look like they’re not a serious party, they’re just a party for spoilt brat students to vote for, the sort of people who are constantly using juvenile language like “scum” and “gammon”. Petty name calling should be beneath a serious political party.

Grow the fuck up Labour! Maybe then more mature people might start voting for you, as well as the student population and the grown ups who haven’t grown up yet.
Click to expand...


That makes no sense.
Boris uses rascist language and that doesnt switch off mature people voting.
why does offensive language not switch off mature voters from the tories

I am genuinely interested
 
ROCKET80 said:
With respect I think you're being a little oversensitive to a minor derogatory slang word. She could have used contemptible, deplorable...the meaning is the same but would no doubt not have seen the over the top reaction her comment is receiving.

If the word was used during debate in the House, then fair enough as there are standards around any derogatory language being used. Which Raynor has in past been guilty of.

This however was at an event for Labour activists at the Labour conference, a rallying cry to the troops if you like.

The public facing side of politics has forever and will forever be unserious; granted Trump, Boris, Bolsanaro and others have turned it up to eleven in recent years but this from Raynor is not in the same ball park.

Nothing Labour do will oust this lot, Brexit has destroyed the country. The current Boris Government are not fit for purpose and never have been, Labour were always and still are a better option, just that nobody wants to admit it.
Click to expand...


Labour have always been the better option .... delivered more beneficial legislation , during their short period in power, than the Tories have delivered in a 100 years.

People just keep falling for the spin in the press.
 
Fode N The Hole said:
Address this point to the person using gammon first then.

I'm not surprised gammon hits a nerve with some people.

I wasn't talking about how old the word was, I was talking about it's use prominent and critically well regarded author. Just another irrelevant strawman.

Serious people still going on about a four letter word used as an insult to a serial adulterer, compulsive liar and charlatan 48 hours after the event?

Maybe you didn't actually grow up after you left the playground.
Click to expand...

Yeah I didn’t grow up after leaving the playground for criticising the use of a word in politics. Great one pal.
 
WNRH said:
Yeah I didn’t grow up after leaving the playground for criticising the use of a word in politics. Great one pal.
Click to expand...

Another strawman. How long after the event and it's still in your mind. Will you be moaning we should have got a throw-in against Wycombe last week next?

A meeting of activists where Angela obviously had too much to drink and got a bit excited, her rant didn't even make any sense she called them scum and ended with piece of scum. You can listen online if you want, obviously someone had the intention of leaking comments to the press before they attended.

Go on lap it up.
 
Fode N The Hole said:
Another strawman. How long after the event and it's still in your mind. Will you be moaning we should have got a throw-in against Wycombe last week next?

A meeting of activists where Angela obviously had too much to drink and got a bit excited, her rant didn't even make any sense she called them scum and ended with piece of scum. You can listen online if you want, obviously someone had the intention of leaking comments to the press before they attended.

Go on lap it up.
Click to expand...

Absolutely brilliant, you can not make it up.

Now we’re excusing a senior politician’s behaviour who is aiming to govern a country of 68m people with the fifth largest economy in the world because she had a little bit much to drink……

Yet at the same time criticising the clowns in current charge with their similar behaviour.

Tat for tat, eye for an eye, my dad is bigger than your dad, the state of this country.

Can the last person in this madhouse please turn the out the lights.
 
WNRH said:
Absolutely brilliant, you can not make it up.

Now we’re excusing a senior politician’s behaviour who is aiming to govern a country of 68m people with the fifth largest economy in the world because she had a little bit much to drink……

Yet at the same time criticising the clowns in current charge with their similar behaviour.

Tat for tat, eye for an eye, my dad is bigger than your dad, the state of this country.

Can the last person in this madhouse please turn the out the lights.
Click to expand...

Here you go.



Have a listen. You seem obsessed with this so I'll leave you to watch on loop and slowed down to try and make out the inaudible words in it in your own time.

It’s in the context of an activists meeting FFS.

If the Tory Party don't like being called scum maybe they shouldn't wait until being embarrassed by Marcus Rashford before they decide to make sure they vulnerable children get enough food and nutrition.
 
Fode N The Hole said:
Here you go.



Have a listen. You seem obsessed with this so I'll leave you to watch on loop and slowed down to try and make out the inaudible words in it in your own time.

It’s in the context of an activists meeting FFS.

If the Tory Party don't like being called scum maybe they shouldn't wait until being embarrassed by Marcus Rashford before they decide to make sure they vulnerable children get enough food and nutrition.
Click to expand...


And now the creme de la creme, it’s all about the context.

What next? The tories did a Bruce Almighty on her and made her say it?
 
WNRH said:
And now the creme de la creme, it’s all about the context.

What next? The tories did a Bruce Almighty on her and made her say it?
Click to expand...

Are you just on the wum?

I think it best we end it here because obviously you are more interested in this than me.
 
The Labour Party is a thoroughly bourgeois party, because, although made up of workers, it is led by reactionaries, and the worst kind of reactionaries at that, who act quite in the spirit of the bourgeoisie.


Was a quote from 1920 and still rings true today
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Unread Posts

Don't have an account? Register now and see fewer ads!

SIGN UP
Back
Top