The Labour Party

Oldham Exile said:
I think that if the price of getting the Tories out was to commit to a 2nd Indyref - then Labour might cave
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Remember that Scotland is not 100% for independence, it's around 50/50 and it was actually 48/52 in favour of no to independence last year.

If Labour became pro-indy ref then that's 50% of the vote gone and the other 50% will be split with the SNP. If Labour stays neutral then they have access to 100% of the vote and at the moment they're far more likely to win more votes in Scotland than the Tories. They'll also likely win far more seats because they won't be battling the SNP on the independence ticket.

Labour would have to be completely stupid to commit to such a thing, plus it also poses troubling constitutional questions because how can Starmer form a government in the Queens name with a policy to perhaps dissolve the very country it governs?
 
inbetween said:
Remember that Scotland is not 100% for independence, it's around 50/50 and it was actually 48/52 in favour of no to independence last year.

If Labour became pro-indy ref then that's 50% of the vote gone and the other 50% will be split with the SNP. If Labour stays neutral then they have access to 100% of the vote and at the moment they're far more likely to win more votes in Scotland than the Tories. They'll also likely win far more seats because they won't be battling the SNP on the independence ticket.

Labour would have to be completely stupid to commit to such a thing, plus it also poses troubling constitutional questions because how can Starmer form a government in the Queens name with a policy to perhaps dissolve the very country it governs?
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I was meaning that following a GE - Labour might pay the price as part of SNP support to get into power - not that Labour should adopt commitment to an Indyref as a manifesto policy

I agree that would be stupid - especially as I believe that there would be a majority NO vote in any such referendum
 
As it happens, I don't really post on this thread as I dislike the current direction of the party, but I watched a 'talk' on Labour's current position with a phrasing that I've seen on here, a lot.

I haven't, yet, formulated a conclusion from it but, someone may have seen it, posted it or have a comment to say on what transpired:

 
inbetween said:
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Labour would have to be completely stupid to commit to such a thing (2nd indy ref), plus it also poses troubling constitutional questions because how can Starmer form a government in the Queens name with a policy to perhaps dissolve the very country it governs?
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Hardly a problem. The Queen herself agreed to possibly dissolving the country she governs by giving Royal assent to the Scottish Independence Referendum Act 2013.
 
Not going well for Neil Coyle. Last week he was banned from all commons bars for being an aggressive drunk. Now on the back of this has had the whip suspended pending investigation.



Today he's done a sympathy interview on GB news of all places pointing to his troubled upbringing sob sob. My brother lives in China has got to be the lamest 'but I have black friends' ever.
 
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Postman Pep said:
Not going well for Neil Coyle. Last week he was banned from all commons bars for being an aggressive drunk. Now on the back of this has had the whip suspended pending investigation.



Today he's done a sympathy interview on GB news of all places pointing to his troubled upbringing sob sob. My brother lives in China has got to be the lamest 'but I have black friends' ever.
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He's a **** who's attitude belongs to the fascists on the other side.
 
Sorry guys, it wasn’t me who signed the letter or defended Putin and Russia in the last week.

I don’t defend this government and it’s shady Russian links. I don’t defend the twat of a PM we have in charge and think he should be ousted asap. Now Starmer has purged the party of the left wing loons I will be back voting Labour.

Now it’s your turn. Thoughts on the left wing Russian sympathisers you all voted for and wanted to run our nation?

Anything? Anyone? Or will it be the usual deathly silence with a massive dollop of staggering hypocrisy yet again which this forum is famous for?
 
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blueinsa said:
Sorry guys, it wasn’t me who signed the letter or defended Putin and Russia in the last week.

I don’t defend this government and it’s shady Russian links. I don’t defend the twat of a PM we have in charge and think he should be ousted asap. Now Starmer has purged the party of the left wing loons I will be back voting Labour.

Now it’s your turn. Thoughts on the left wing Russian sympathisers you all voted for and wanted to run our nation?

Anything? Anyone? Or will it be the usual deathly silence with a massive dollop of staggering hypocrisy yet again which this forum is famous for?
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Here's my thoughts.

Diane Abbott has over the years been subjected to an unacceptable degree of abuse, much of which seems to be founded in misogyny and racism. She has been a very able constituency MP. I am disappointed she has put her name to this.

The rest are a bunch of cunts and withdrawal of the whip will make the labour party a better and more electable electoral force.
 
Chris in London said:
Here's my thoughts.

Diane Abbott has over the years been subjected to an unacceptable degree of abuse, much of which seems to be founded in misogyny and racism. She has been a very able constituency MP. I am disappointed she has put her name to this.

The rest are a bunch of cunts and withdrawal of the whip will make the labour party a better and more electable electoral force.
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She is subjected to scrutiny and abuse because of her politics in the exact same way say a Liz Truss or a Priti Patel gets dogs abuse on forums like this and no doubt social media.

One is racist and misogyny whilst the other is fair game if you read this forum but that’s just the staggering hypocrisy I highlighted I suppose?

Abbotts politics, along with her mates who so nearly came to power in this country are every bit as bad as this disgusting Tory government we have and we have one taking dirty Russian money whilst the 11 fucking lunatics, many who would have been senior ministers under a Corbyn led government are literally Putin cheerleaders such is their hatred for the west and a need to be anti establishment.

Starmer and a Labour government free of the lunatic left fringe can’t come fast enough.
 
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