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hilts said:
It's not ridiculous at all the tories are fucked because he got pissed while we followed the rules. They then fucked the economy which is worse than banging the nanny.
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But he ended up going down because he lied about a sex scandal - Partygate had been rumbling on for half a year.

The Jennifer Arcuri scandal was a much bigger abuse of power than the Chris Pincher scandal, yet Labour weren't able to make that stick. If Labour had genuinely sat back for the last couple of years and let the Tories have a free ride, Boris would still be in power.

I'm genuinely confused why so many people who really hate the Tories are so reluctant to give any credit whatsoever to Keir Starmer.
 
bluenova said:
But he ended up going down because he lied about a sex scandal - Partygate had been rumbling on for half a year.

The Jennifer Arcuri scandal was a much bigger abuse of power than the Chris Pincher scandal, yet Labour weren't able to make that stick. If Labour had genuinely sat back for the last couple of years and let the Tories have a free ride, Boris would still be in power.

I'm genuinely confused why so many people who really hate the Tories are so reluctant to give any credit whatsoever to Keir Starmer.
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Its quite simple really I might not rate eastenders or coronation st but would pick corra if I had to sit and watch one of them for 30 mins.

The odd fuckers are those that think because the Tories are shit it makes the opposition leader good. Its a strange coincidence that just as the Tories have reached ground zero is the exact same time Starmer seems suddenly to have become relevant.
 
hilts said:
Its quite simple really I might not rate eastenders or coronation st but would pick corra if I had to sit and watch one of them for 30 mins.

The odd fuckers are those that think because the Tories are shit it makes the opposition leader good. Its a strange coincidence that just as the Tories have reached ground zero is the exact same time Starmer seems suddenly to have become relevant.
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It's hardly the exact moment - Labour had leads of 15% and 17% before Truss became PM, and we're talking about gradually going from Tory poll leads of over 20% before Starmer took over, to a solid lead now. I said above that the YouGov one is likely an outlier.

I even posted that things could turn around quickly, but you have to ask why was Boris "the greased piglet" with an 80 seat majority finally taken down. He's got a list of scandals going back years, and yet he managed to slide through the Brexit campaign, be an utterly embarrassing foreign secretary, get involved in multiple scandals including being caught lying, and ended up 20+ points ahead and sitting on a big majority in parliament.

Starmer isn't likely to win any awards for inspirational speeches, but he has got Labour organised enough to make sure that the Tories mistakes are exploited.
 
bluenova said:
It's hardly the exact moment - Labour had leads of 15% and 17% before Truss became PM, and we're talking about gradually going from Tory poll leads of over 20% before Starmer took over, to a solid lead now. I said above that the YouGov one is likely an outlier.

I even posted that things could turn around quickly, but you have to ask why was Boris "the greased piglet" with an 80 seat majority finally taken down. He's got a list of scandals going back years, and yet he managed to slide through the Brexit campaign, be an utterly embarrassing foreign secretary, get involved in multiple scandals including being caught lying, and ended up 20+ points ahead and sitting on a big majority in parliament.

Starmer isn't likely to win any awards for inspirational speeches, but he has got Labour organised enough to make sure that the Tories mistakes are exploited.
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May Johnson Truss yeah it's Starmer pmsl. You don't splatter on the ground without taking a certain amount of time falling. He has become more electable as the govt have become less electable.

No shit sherlock springs to mind.
 
hilts said:
May Johnson Truss yeah it's Starmer pmsl. You don't splatter on the ground without taking a certain amount of time falling. He has become more electable as the govt have become less electable.

No shit sherlock springs to mind.
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So why didn't any of the previous scandals and lies stick to Johnson? He was lying and shagging and covering things up before Starmer took over, but was only getting more popular.

Again, I am not suggesting that Starmer is responsible for the Tories fucking up, but I think he has got Labour organised enough to take advantage of them.
 
bluenova said:
So why didn't any of the previous scandals and lies stick to Johnson? He was lying and shagging and covering things up before Starmer took over, but was only getting more popular.

Again, I am not suggesting that Starmer is responsible for the Tories fucking up, but I think he has got Labour organised enough to take advantage of them.
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It's called an ever increasing list of misdemeanours(sp). Some people take time to realise what's plainly in front of their eyes. In a country of immoral behaviour it takes a while to piss off enough immoral folk.

I hear loads of stuff day to day but positives about Starmer are rarer than rocking horse shit. Sometimes being not the biggest twat in the room is enough because you aren't allowed outside.
 
west didsblue said:
Plenty of stories about her criticising Starmer. Here’s one.
https://labourlist.org/2020/07/star...-action-as-activists-back-green-new-deal/?amp
Seems her support is for the Corbynite part of the party.
Rightly or wrongly Starmer is marginalising that faction. Blaming on a Twitter like is disingenuous imo.
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So no whiff of scandal or problematic behaviour beyond mere factionalism. I doubt she is under any illusions that it was anything but that. So who is being disingenuous here, her for highlighting the pretext she was given or the Labour Party for going to ridiculous lengths to justify blocking 'problematic ' candidates?
 
Postman Pep said:
So no whiff of scandal or problematic behaviour beyond mere factionalism. I doubt she is under any illusions that it was anything but that. So who is being disingenuous here, her for highlighting the pretext she was given or the Labour Party for going to ridiculous lengths to justify blocking 'problematic ' candidates?
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Can’t really argue with that. It's clearly a calculation by Starmer that marginalising Corbynites will gain more votes than it loses even if it goes against normal processes.
 
Postman Pep said:
So no whiff of scandal or problematic behaviour beyond mere factionalism. I doubt she is under any illusions that it was anything but that. So who is being disingenuous here, her for highlighting the pretext she was given or the Labour Party for going to ridiculous lengths to justify blocking 'problematic ' candidates?
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If she’s against the main point of Labour getting the vote, then she’s against change.

Very simply, the Unions no longer have the huge sway that they had, they are no longer relevant in this current society.

Things need to change. When people see Sunak as the best alternative then you know things are really wrong. An absolute **** in many books where even his own constituents worry about him.

It will be your choice. Vote for or vote against, you may have that final vote. However, beware of what you vote for, Bluemoon will always have a say ;-)
 
west didsblue said:
Can’t really argue with that. It's clearly a calculation by Starmer that marginalising Corbynites will gain more votes than it loses even if it goes against normal processes.
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So normal processes don't matter to our future PM, as long as you get the right result? How reassuring ;)
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
If she’s against the main point of Labour getting the vote, then she’s against change.

Very simply, the Unions no longer have the huge sway that they had, they are no longer relevant in this current society.

Things need to change. When people see Sunak as the best alternative then you know things are really wrong. An absolute **** in many books where even his own constituents worry about him.

It will be your choice. Vote for or vote against, you may have that final vote. However, beware of what you vote for, Bluemoon will always have a say ;-)
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The unions are no longer relevant ........ what a line
 
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