The Labour Party

[hilts]

Yep.... legally we can then either turn the boats back or deport to their country of origin .

No problem there then:-)

 

[BlueHammer85]

Since the election, according to Home Office figures, deportations have reached their highest level in five years, while raids to uncover illegal employment have increased too. So yeh, they are doing nothing apparently.

 

[TinFoilHat]

Since the election, according to Home Office figures, deportations have reached their highest level in five years, while raids to uncover illegal employment have increased too. So yeh, they are doing nothing apparently.

Its shows how media is using it's influence to influence the country.

As you know I'm not a fan of this version of the LP. However I can see a campaign of media manipulation against them using both RW legacy and social media about policies and ideas they aren't doing presented as fact.

 

[metalblue]

thanks..... so you have no solution for the hundred that will pitch up today and tomorrow?

It is great to say process them before they make that journey, but surely that is available to them, just go to the British Embassy in the first country that has one and make your case? But they don't do this.

How will rejoining the EU or recreating the Dublin make any difference?

The original question was and still is.... what should we do with the 100 that are turning up daily, what should our stance be.... bearing in mind we are on the bones of our arses and have severe financial issues to be able to fund anything.

There isn’t a process in place, you’d like to think you could turn up at your nearest British embassy or consulate and apply away for asylum. But you can’t. You have to apply from these shores. Therein lays the problem.

So @Alan Harper's Tash is spot on when he says about processing their applications before they set foot on a boat. The British public will have a whole lot less sympathy with those that, having been fairly denied, then jumping on an inflatable.

 

[BlueHammer85]

There isn’t a process in place, you’d like to think you could turn up at your nearest British embassy or consulate and apply away for asylum. But you can’t. You have to apply from these shores. Therein lays the problem.

So @Alan Harper's Tash is spot on when he says about processing their applications before they set foot on a boat. The British public will have a whole lot less sympathy with those that, having been fairly denied, then jumping on an inflatable.

he also thinks you just scrap Human Rights Laws at a whim.
No wonder he will be voting for Farage.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

There isn’t a process in place, you’d like to think you could turn up at your nearest British embassy or consulate and apply away for asylum. But you can’t. You have to apply from these shores. Therein lays the problem.

So @Alan Harper's Tash is spot on when he says about processing their applications before they set foot on a boat. The British public will have a whole lot less sympathy with those that, having been fairly denied, then jumping on an inflatable.

Absolutely correct on the last point. If they’ve been rejected for asylum, then they have no basis in getting on a dinghy and coming here. If they tried, they should be returned to wherever they have come from as they have been processed and their claim does not meet the UK’s criteria.

Where there could be discussion is where the UK’s bar is set to be successful when claiming asylum.

That could potentially lawfully lower the number of successful claims if raised.

It would then start the debate on who we should help and inevitably revert to “what about our veterans/homeless/starving kids” type rhetoric.

My guess is that nothing will change much over the next 3.5 years. Then Musk will turn the Twitter bots up to 10 in election year and the immigration will return to front and centre, having been put on the back burner for the majority of the Parliament.

It’ll be interesting to see what is left of the Reform party, or whether Musk has funded a party with Tommy Robinson as leader.

 

[BlueHammer85]

It’ll be interesting to see what is left of the Reform party, or whether Musk has funded a party with Tommy Robinson as leader.

Tommy Robinson PM and Colin McGregor for Irish PM, what can go wrong.

 

[BigJoe#1]

he also thinks you just scrap Human Rights Laws at a whim.
No wonder he will be voting for Farage.

You think you know it all but about me but in fact, you don't know anything, though you are free to think that you do... so carry on.

Given the electoral system we have and the limited caliber in the quality of parties we have to choose from you might find that Frage and Reform will do rather well.

Who are you going to blame for that? Certainly won't be your luvvie Labour party, though it should begiven the quality of the opposition they would have too beat.

Why can you lefties never accept that Kier Starmer, Rachel Reeves and co. can make mistakes? And the have alread made loads in just eight months? It's that radical thinking that drives middle of the road voters away.

 

[BlueHammer85]

You think you know it all but about me but in fact, you don't know anything, though you are free to think that you do... so carry on.

Given the electoral system we have and the limited caliber in the quality of parties we have to choose from you might find that Frage and Reform will do rather well.

Who are you going to blame for that? Certainly won't be your luvvie Labour party, though it should begiven the quality of the opposition they would have too beat.

Why can you lefties never accept that Kier Starmer, Rachel Reeves and co. can make mistakes? And the have alread made loads in just eight months? It's that radical thinking that drives middle of the road voters away.

and you will never credit Labour or Starmer for anything, just constant bore fest moaning.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

and you will never credit Labour or Starmer for anything, just constant bore fest moaning.

It’s also as if he’s not seen any of us criticise the WFA withdrawal or clamp down of disability benefits.

The fact remains though, that they, possibly along with the Lib Dems, are the only viable party at the moment.

You only have to take a glance at the Tories and Reform at present and see that they have no credible MPs currently. They’ve gone down the shouty social media route, which doesn’t create any solutions, just tells people that everything is shit and the country is doomed.

 

[Kompany Car]

But you can’t. You have to apply from these shores. Therein lays the problem.

Jersey would seem like the ideal location and they are already compensated by being exempt from CGT and Inheritance tax. Close to France, plenty of hotels. What's not to like ?

 

[blueinsa]

and you will never credit Labour or Starmer for anything, just constant bore fest moaning.

This sub forum has been a moan fest since the day of its inception.

Seems strange moaning about government policy is now seemingly boring and an issue?

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Why don't you start by defining the solution?

If these make the effort and get here should they by default allowed to stay or not?

thanks..... so you have no solution for the hundred that will pitch up today and tomorrow?

It is great to say process them before they make that journey, but surely that is available to them, just go to the British Embassy in the first country that has one and make your case? But they don't do this.

How will rejoining the EU or recreating the Dublin make any difference?

The original question was and still is.... what should we do with the 100 that are turning up daily, what should our stance be.... bearing in mind we are on the bones of our arses and have severe financial issues to be able to fund anything.

We should honour our obligations under the UN Refugee Convention and grant asylum if they qualify ... If they dont they should either be returned to their country of origin or the last country they travelled from


Either that or we should withdraw from the UN Refugee Convention (which we wrote ) but at which point in the last 15 years did the Tories ever propose that we do that (Labour won't) ......instead they just threw red meat to the public and give them someone to blame!

Your problems are not being created by immigrants ....dont look down...... look up.

 

[BlueHammer85]

This sub forum has been a moan fest since the day of its inception.

Seems strange moaning about government policy is now seemingly boring and an issue?

Indeed, and rightly so at times.

The 'boring' part is when a certain pro Farage/Reform voter constantly vents and rages about Labour typing any old tripe he can think off, not be balanced and clearly being disingenuous.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Indeed, and rightly so at times.

The 'boring' part is when a certain pro Farage/Reform voter constantly vents and rages about Labour typing any old tripe he can think off, not be balanced and clearly being disingenuous.

To give Blueinsa his dues, he is consistent in moaning about everything and that change is always needed! :-)

 

[BigJoe#1]

and you will never credit Labour or Starmer for anything, just constant bore fest moaning.

But what have they achieved that deserves credit?

The have done plenty that draws criticism.... I am not impressed with the way they've "dealt" with the railways and doctors.... we never had the money to settle such deals. I was equally unimpressed with them raising taxes (employers NI) I am also unimpressed with the way have cut WFA (neither of the latter two were mentioned in their manifesto).

I will accede and praise them for making an effort to increase spending on arms, but to fund it by proposing to cut benefits doesn't sit comfortably with me, though I do agree foreign aid could and should be cut.

As for doing a massive reorganisation of the NHS..... its complete lunacy and will cost an absolute fortune and will result in thousands of jobs being lost.... who is going to pay for the consequences of that? The reorganisation is particularly disturbing as they emphatically pledged that that was something they would NOT do.

Furthermore in these hard times I find it offensive (and its not club related) that they are going to spend millions/billions on regenerating the area around Old Trafford. This will definitely be for the direct benefit of MUFC, yes the area could also benefit in the way of new jobs but I suspect it won't be that large a benefit.

Finally I do think Starmer has done OK in the action taken as a go between, between Trump and Zelenskyy and the US and Europe but again I think he is failing as he is not properly representing Europe or Zelenskyy when it come to standing up to Trump. To me he is the the Mr Bigg who will only shout from a distance and when he gets approached he turns on his heels. The way he presented the invitation for Trump to come on another Royal visit was vomit inducing and bordering on complete embarrassment.

All the policies they have implemented so far are right wing thinking, yet you and your fellow acolytes seem to want to praise them. Strange isn't it?

So you see, you are correct that I am not lavishing praise on Starmer... he needs to earn it first and in my mind he has been an utter failure.

 

[BigJoe#1]

Indeed, and rightly so at times.

The 'boring' part is when a certain pro Farage/Reform voter constantly vents and rages about Labour typing any old tripe he can think off, not be balanced and clearly being disingenuous.

.... and you don't think that the Labour followers on here don't appear exactly the same way to those who don't support Labours way of doing things...? fair enough.

Can't you see the Labour party on the back of the Conservatives mess is driving voters to go for Farage and Reform.... you only have yourselves to blame.

 

[blueinsa]

Indeed, and rightly so at times.

The 'boring' part is when a certain pro Farage/Reform voter constantly vents and rages about Labour typing any old tripe he can think off, not be balanced and clearly being disingenuous.

You would have a point if you and many others were in any way balanced yourselves.

Physician heal thyself.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

And this is why the political threads are dead.

 

[hcblue95]

You would have a point if you and many others were in any way balanced yourselves.

Physician heal thyself.

Yet you loved blue austerity and now hate red austerity. Very balanced and not hypocritical at all.