The Liverpool Thread

[mindmyp's_n_q's]

Are you lot obsessed with us? I mean seriously a Liverpool thread...

Anyway, i don't see your problem with us... most of us haven't got a problem with you lot and actually want City to do well so United suffer, we both hate United so why do you hate us?

All this talk about John Henry, he has come out and said many times this season he will back Kenny in every transfer window and provide money for him to spend whenever he wants, we bought English players in the summer because we HAD to, you have to have a certain amount of English players in your squad, ours was full of foreign shit from when Rafa was in charge.

If we manage to get in the CL this season, big ask but if we buy 1 or 2 top players in January I don't see why we can't. Then in the summer we buy players as you lot did, the world class players.

You all say Downing has been shit this season, he could of had about 10 assists already, but our strikers are missing sitters every match. Henderson has been used as a right winger, god knows why, his best position is CM and he showed that against United and Everton (for the little time he got there). Adam does what he's there for, but can be so fucking frustrating at times. Carroll is the biggest waste of money in history.

And someone said on here we need to sort out defence out? Your joking right... we have conceded the 2nd less amount of goals behind Newcastle, and have allowed the fewest amount of shots on our goal than any other team, so i don't think so somehow.

I've said it for ages now, our best team is.. Reina, Johnson, Skrtel, Agger, Enrique, Lucas, Gerrard, Maxi, Bellamy, Kuyt, Suarez (4-2-3-1) But fuck knows why Kenny doesn't try it.

You would be banned for that on RAWK.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Were 3 points off 4th and play Chelsea this weekend, i don't see any reason we can't get a win there, we did last season and we always up our game against the big teams, bar getting hammered 4-0 at Spurs when we were down to 9 men. So i don't see how were not in the race for 4th, seeing as were still only 11 games into the season, anything can happen between now and May.

I don't use RAWK so i didn't see that thread but personally i actually like City and have a lot of mates that are City fans. And as for Balotelli he's a complete legend haha

I didn't say you weren't in the race for 4th - you are - but I didn't see you as being at the front of that race as things currently stand. Spurs look favourites plus we're ignoring Newcastle completely. There's still a long way to go but it must be a concern that you're not scoring enough & dropping a lot of silly points at home. Last season your weak spot was away from home against the clubs in the top half so that's another hurdle to overcome. if you get something at Chelsea it would look a lot better for you but you have to beat the other clubs as well and, as you say, you're raising your game for the bigger clubs.

 

[spurspinter1]

To the person that said Johnson/Skrtel/Agger/Enrique woudn't get in Chelseas starting 11, are you joking?

Johnson or Bosingwa?

David Luiz who is SHITE or Agger who is one of the best CB in the league when he's fit.

Enrique who has probably been the best LB in the league this season could probably do the same job Cole does, so i don't agree with that.

I think you'll find the majority picking Bosingwa here...Myself included.

And I woudn't say David Luiz is shite, just a tad rash, I'm sure he'll mature.

 

[hellothere]

We got rid of alot of "dead wood" at the start of the season, for instance Jovanovic who was apprently on around 90k a week which is a fucking joke, Poulsen who i imagine was on around 40-50k and others like konchesky, ngog, insua and we have also sent joe cole out on loan who was on around 100k a week.

At the end of last season when we sold torres and bought in andy carroll we still made a small profit after all the in's and outs, thats not to say that i dont think we over spent on carroll, of course we did and no liverpool fan denys that and it was pretty much a panic buy.

At the start of this season we had a net spend of around 36mil which really is not over the top, i dont understand why people think we would be in some kind of debt and struggling with funds.

Hi mate. Good to have you on. Always enjoy debating with proper Liverpool fans.

You certainly did clear out a lot of dead-wood in the summer and the general consensus seems to be that the incoming players were self-financing because of that and that you might have even eased some pressure on the wage bill as well.

I've not studied your last accounts in detail but the problem I see is that you showed a loss of £20m on turnover of £184m and that included a profit on player trading. Plus those accounts were the last ones to include CL income which was probably in the region of £40-45m. The increased shirt naming and kit deals will absorb some of that but nowhere near all of it. We won't know for another 6 months until the next sert accounts are published but my very strong suspicion is that the loss of CL income will just about be balanced out by the increase in commercial income and the saving on servicing the acquisition debt incurred by H&G.

Also, no one really knows how NESV financed the LFC purchase (they admit their previous investments were financed by a mixture of personal capital and debt) and what sort of return they are looking for. so it's possible that the debt servicing paid out of LFC under H&G might simply be replaced by some sort of dividend or other withdrawal under NESV, in the same way the Glazers have sneaked a fair bit out of United in various ways.

The key qu.estion, as I see it, is what will NESV's reaction be if top four isn't achieved this summer and what decisions will they take? Do they understand enough about the way football works to make the right decisions or will they just decide to cut costs and run a tighter ship, much in the same way that Lerner has done at Villa? Do they take the plunge and seek the finance for a new stadium when that will divert funds away from the team? There are some very difficult decisions to be taken and there's no doubt that these decisions are very dependent on being able to count on a steady flow of CL-enhanced revenue

-- Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:32 pm --

I really have no concerns about NESV, they are saying all the right things and all the debt that our previous owners left has been cleared, i am sure we will have new debt in the future but most clubs do, its just how it is.

 

[mcmanus]

Have a look at the Manchester City thread on RAWK, They're quite complimentary for the last few pages but you need to read it from the start. It has everything, all the usual clichés, City are boring, never win anything with Mancini. City have no soul, ruining football, Mancini tactically inept, a King Kenny love in, they'd win with Rafa, they've bought poorly unlike Liverpool, shit fans, poznan looks crap, they'll be shit without Tevez. One wag even suggested we'd finish about 9th this season.
Then slowly it dawns on them that perhaps we aren't as shit as they'd like to think we are and they are nowhere near as good as they thought they were. It's a great read if you've got an hour to burn.

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Truly this is a hilarious thread, starts before we won the cup right up till now. A GREAT READ. You get the true perspective of Liverpool fans' views, over 6 months, our beloved club. Brilliant.

It's like the scousers are going through stages of denial, anger, depression and then fucking acceptance.

p.s. Dosen't take an hour just jump 5 pages on rather reading every page.

 

[moomba]

IMO

Combined City/Liverpool defence - Richards Kompany Lescott Clichy
Combined Rags/Liverpool defence - Smalling Vidic Agger Enrique
Combined Chelsea/Liverpool defence - Ivanovic Luiz Terry Cole
Combined Arsenal/Liverpool defence - Sagna Vermaelen Agger Enrique
Combined Spurs/Liverpool defence - Walker King Agger Enrique
Combined Everton/Liverpool defence - Kelly Jagielka Agger Baines

 

[Matty]

To the person that said Johnson/Skrtel/Agger/Enrique woudn't get in Chelseas starting 11, are you joking?

Johnson or Bosingwa?

David Luiz who is SHITE or Agger who is one of the best CB in the league when he's fit.

Enrique who has probably been the best LB in the league this season could probably do the same job Cole does, so i don't agree with that.

I think you'll find the majority picking Bosingwa here...Myself included.

And I woudn't say David Luiz is shite, just a tad rash, I'm sure he'll mature.

I'd hope to God my choice wasn't Johnson or Bosingwa to be honest! There's very little between them in my mind.

Luiz isn't shite, he's young and error prone at present, ultimately he'd likely be moved to midfield in my opinion. Agger is NOT one of the best centre halves in the Premiership when fit.

Enrique isn't as good as Cole, or Clichy, or Evra.

 

[leighton]

The thing for Liverpool at best a champions league spot but more than likely it will be a Europa League spot this season. Thats not good if you want to break into the top 4 teams in the league. The Thursday and Sunday games are hard on every club. Even we struggled at times with our squad last season with the Thursday and Sunday games.
Liverpool will find it hard if they miss out on Champions league its only a matter of time when Reina and even Suarez may want to move on and play at Champions League level. Also for Liverpool they need to replace Gerrard and Carragher. Whats then left isnt near the level of getting into the top 4 places. Once the spine of Carragher and Gerrard calls it a day it will be the end of Liverpool trying to get a top 4 place. They might even see the gap closing with Everton if they get money behind them then they will be a danger to take over the best scouse team in the league.

 

[dw7]

This year is their year if not then next year or the year after that

 

[spurspinter1]

To the person that said Johnson/Skrtel/Agger/Enrique woudn't get in Chelseas starting 11, are you joking?

Johnson or Bosingwa?

David Luiz who is SHITE or Agger who is one of the best CB in the league when he's fit.

Enrique who has probably been the best LB in the league this season could probably do the same job Cole does, so i don't agree with that.

I think you'll find the majority picking Bosingwa here...Myself included.

And I woudn't say David Luiz is shite, just a tad rash, I'm sure he'll mature.

I'd hope to God my choice wasn't Johnson or Bosingwa to be honest! There's very little between them in my mind.

Luiz isn't shite, he's young and error prone at present, ultimately he'd likely be moved to midfield in my opinion. Agger is NOT one of the best centre halves in the Premiership when fit.

Enrique isn't as good as Cole, or Clichy, or Evra.

Sorry for taking it off topic and all about me but do you not have BAE in that list of quality LB's used as examples? Maybe it's bias but to me it's a fight between Cole Evra and BAE as top LB. I doubt many of you guys thought Clichy was one of the best LB's in the league before you got him, I may be wrong though