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great edit by the beeb this morning

Sir Alex Ferguson: An honour to face him says Robert Mancini

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Manchester City manager Roberto Mancini says it has been "a great honour and pleasure" to take on Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson.
Ferguson, 71, will retire at the end of season after 26 years in charge and will be replaced by David Moyes.
Mancini said: "It was a great honour to beat him at Old Trafford and I wish him good luck for his future.
"I don't think there'll be another manager like him. To win every trophy for 27 years is incredible situation."

I'm fairly new to this forum and sometimes wonder what sort of future Manchester United may have.

The things I understand regarding Manchester United are as follows:-

1) That in my opinion Sir Matt Busby was the man who made Manchester United a great club in first place winning the prestigious European Cup in 1968 and more titles. Had it not been for the Munich Air Disaster in 1958, SMB would have won more.

2) Regardless of Alex Ferguson and his achievements as football manager and his eventual knighthood, AF isn't respected in the same way that Brian Clough, Bob Paisley, Bill Shankly, Jock Stein and Howard Kendall and George Graham were.

3) Alex Ferguson fell out with players and firstly got ruthless with Jaap Stam, secondly David Beckham and lastly Roy Keane, where Roy Keane stood up to him to the best and the Keane and Ferguson feud going to continue throughout the remainder of the 2010s and well into the 2020s and 2030s with Roy Keane trying to be successful to some extent within football in some sort of capacity, be it Manager, Assistant Manager or a place on the board such as the FAI (Football Association of Ireland) and his disputes with John Delaney over the mediocre, semi-professional standards of their football and leagues in general, which are the equivalent of England's League 2 and England's Blue Square Division in terms of standards and stadium capacities. Keane/O'Neill a potential Clough/Taylor duo with Keane and O'Neill learning from Brian Clough having played at Nottingham Forest?

4) Roy Keane put his body on the line for Manchester United many times and without his leadership and influence, Manchester United would never have got to the 1999 European Cup final and even winning it so late on in the game. Roy Keane and Eric Cantona were the 2 main influences. Yes, Roy Keane went on their TV channel and his departure weeks later, but Alex Ferguson also overstepped the mark prior to that in 2004, where Ferguson fell out with Manchester United's major shareholder over buying a horse and also to strive for control and power as Roy Keane rightly pointed out, which resulted in the Glazer takeover with Ferguson sucking up to the Glazers. From 2005/2006 onwards, C.Ronaldo was the catalyst helping to win the trophies and then Rooney, Tevez and Van Persie, before Ferguson finally recommended David Moyes because he was a tenacious, determined Scot and also to try to Evertonise Manchester United to sort of let the United fans down gently with bad results that the Blue half of Manchester is taking over and for the Red half to get used to it.

On the other hand, Manchester City - Similarities to West Ham United in London where both of these have Sky Blue in their club's colours, a 30+ year drought of not winning a major trophy (League Title, FA Cup, League Cup, UEFA Cup or European Cup) and West Ham United possibly growing as a club when they move from Upton Park to the Olympic Stadium in 2016, where West Ham United would get a possible takeover and turned into a force challenging for trophies?

In 15-20 years time, can Manchester City also realistically grow as a club and Manchester United experiencing financial problems, attendances at Old Trafford dropping, even the loss of the ground or, at least closure of some of it and Manchester United getting relegated to either the Championship or League 1 and never ever recovering, as well as losing their sponsors of Nike and AON/Cheverlot and ending up with sponsors like Admiral and Errea etc?

What the fuck have I just read?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

great edit by the beeb this morning

Sir Alex Ferguson: An honour to face him says Robert Mancini

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Manchester City manager Roberto Mancini says it has been "a great honour and pleasure" to take on Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson.
Ferguson, 71, will retire at the end of season after 26 years in charge and will be replaced by David Moyes.
Mancini said: "It was a great honour to beat him at Old Trafford and I wish him good luck for his future.
"I don't think there'll be another manager like him. To win every trophy for 27 years is incredible situation."

I'm fairly new to this forum and sometimes wonder what sort of future Manchester United may have.

The things I understand regarding Manchester United are as follows:-

1) That in my opinion Sir Matt Busby was the man who made Manchester United a great club in first place winning the prestigious European Cup in 1968 and more titles. Had it not been for the Munich Air Disaster in 1958, SMB would have won more.

2) Regardless of Alex Ferguson and his achievements as football manager and his eventual knighthood, AF isn't respected in the same way that Brian Clough, Bob Paisley, Bill Shankly, Jock Stein and Howard Kendall and George Graham were.

3) Alex Ferguson fell out with players and firstly got ruthless with Jaap Stam, secondly David Beckham and lastly Roy Keane, where Roy Keane stood up to him to the best and the Keane and Ferguson feud going to continue throughout the remainder of the 2010s and well into the 2020s and 2030s with Roy Keane trying to be successful to some extent within football in some sort of capacity, be it Manager, Assistant Manager or a place on the board such as the FAI (Football Association of Ireland) and his disputes with John Delaney over the mediocre, semi-professional standards of their football and leagues in general, which are the equivalent of England's League 2 and England's Blue Square Division in terms of standards and stadium capacities. Keane/O'Neill a potential Clough/Taylor duo with Keane and O'Neill learning from Brian Clough having played at Nottingham Forest?

4) Roy Keane put his body on the line for Manchester United many times and without his leadership and influence, Manchester United would never have got to the 1999 European Cup final and even winning it so late on in the game. Roy Keane and Eric Cantona were the 2 main influences. Yes, Roy Keane went on their TV channel and his departure weeks later, but Alex Ferguson also overstepped the mark prior to that in 2004, where Ferguson fell out with Manchester United's major shareholder over buying a horse and also to strive for control and power as Roy Keane rightly pointed out, which resulted in the Glazer takeover with Ferguson sucking up to the Glazers. From 2005/2006 onwards, C.Ronaldo was the catalyst helping to win the trophies and then Rooney, Tevez and Van Persie, before Ferguson finally recommended David Moyes because he was a tenacious, determined Scot and also to try to Evertonise Manchester United to sort of let the United fans down gently with bad results that the Blue half of Manchester is taking over and for the Red half to get used to it.

On the other hand, Manchester City - Similarities to West Ham United in London where both of these have Sky Blue in their club's colours, a 30+ year drought of not winning a major trophy (League Title, FA Cup, League Cup, UEFA Cup or European Cup) and West Ham United possibly growing as a club when they move from Upton Park to the Olympic Stadium in 2016, where West Ham United would get a possible takeover and turned into a force challenging for trophies?

In 15-20 years time, can Manchester City also realistically grow as a club and Manchester United experiencing financial problems, attendances at Old Trafford dropping, even the loss of the ground or, at least closure of some of it and Manchester United getting relegated to either the Championship or League 1 and never ever recovering, as well as losing their sponsors of Nike and AON/Cheverlot and ending up with sponsors like Admiral and Errea etc?

Fairly new ? I'd say very new and possibly the most confident first ever post on bluemoon

We'll done. Don't know what the clique cunts are moaning about


Welcome

You ell 'em Corky. Fuckin' cliquers.

 

[stonerblue]

Didn't see this story, published last sunday, making much of a splash in the redtops



Premier League plays by government rules – with poverty wages for the rest
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Lord Stevens Holds Press Conference Over Alleged Transfer Payments
Richard Scudamore, chief executive of the Premier League, has earned a £2.5m annual bonus on top of a generous pay deal. Photograph: Scott Barbour/Getty Images
Citizens UK's focus on the wages paid by England's Premier League football clubs exposes a stark truth about what used to be called "the people's game", and the country in which it has become all-conquering.

The historic neighbourhood football clubs, enjoying a commercial boom that has delivered a 2013-16 TV deal of £5.5bn, pay top footballers £10m a year and chief executives £2m a year. But hundreds of their staff have to make do on the minimum wage: £6.31 an hour for over-21s; £5.03 for 18-20-year-olds; and £3.72 for under-18s.

This is a damning portrait of football, the overblown great and simple game, of course, but it is also a more general indictment of a society in which endemic, grindingly low levels of pay, too little to live on with dignity, are actually set by the government, while vast individual wealth is idolised.

Now broadcast globally to 200 countries, the Premier League is considered a great advert for Britain, with the prime minister, David Cameron, inviting the league's chief executive, Richard Scudamore, on several of his trade trips. Scudamore recently asserted that the overseas billionaires who have bought the top clubs are attracted to a game that is still "quintessentially English".

For his job, principally selling the rights to live Premier League matches exclusively so that fans here and around the world have to buy pay-TV subscriptions, Scudamore was paid a £2.5m bonus over the years of the last deal, on top of his annual salary, which was £929,000 last year.

The Citizens UK report cites the salary package of Ivan Gazidis, Arsenal's chief executive, which in 2012-13 was £1.925m. Daniel Levy, executive chairman of London's other major Premier League football club, was paid £2.2m in 2011-12, the year of the club's most recently published accounts. The package was paid by Spurs's parent company, Enic International, which is registered in the Bahamas and owned by currency trader Joe Lewis, then recharged to Spurs.

The wages of footballers, and the commissions that are raked off by their agents, have become in-your-face inflated since the First Division clubs broke away from sharing their TV income with the other three divisions of the Football League in 1992 and formed the Premier League, going on to sell the live television rights exclusively to BSkyB.

Pay that had been held down by the clubs to a maximum of £20 a week when the players' union, the PFA, succeeded in having it freed in 1961, has been unleashed to a fierce market in which the best talent's rewards have been pushed up to the current £10m and more a year.

In training ground car parks where the football stars of the 1970s were doing well to park a Cortina, it is common now to see Bentleys and Porsches being lathered and valeted by young lads, ready for when the top players finish training and come back out.

The report has not exhaustively revealed the employment conditions at clubs for catering, cleaning and other staff doing vital jobs; one of its points is that the clubs have not engaged sufficiently with the living wage cam- paign for the numbers to be established.

Only one club, Manchester City, which has been owned since 2008 by the multibillionaire Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan, a member of the Abu Dhabi ruling family, has committed to paying its staff a living wage.

Citizens UK welcomes that commitment, and calls on Manchester City to go further, to set an example and commit to ensuring that its subcontracted staff – such as those working for the catering companies which serve up major matchday profits to the football clubs – are also paid a living wage.

The Living Wage Foundation has set this at £7.65 an hour, or £8.80 in London. Far from a footballers' fortune, it is an amount aimed at enabling people who are working at least not to be on poverty pay.

The Premier League's argument, that its clubs comply with the law – and, by implication, that the government could set the minimum wage at a liveable level – is valid in its way.

However, as things stand, the national sport reflects the times the nation is living through, as it always has. And in 2013 this means glaring, soaring, virulent inequality.

 

[aguero93:20]

Didn't see this story, published last sunday, making much of a splash in the redtops



Premier League plays by government rules – with poverty wages for the rest
The state of the nation's favourite sport reflects the state the nation is in, and that means glaring, soaring, virulent inequality
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The Observer, Sunday 15 December 2013
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Lord Stevens Holds Press Conference Over Alleged Transfer Payments
Richard Scudamore, chief executive of the Premier League, has earned a £2.5m annual bonus on top of a generous pay deal. Photograph: Scott Barbour/Getty Images
Citizens UK's focus on the wages paid by England's Premier League football clubs exposes a stark truth about what used to be called "the people's game", and the country in which it has become all-conquering.

The historic neighbourhood football clubs, enjoying a commercial boom that has delivered a 2013-16 TV deal of £5.5bn, pay top footballers £10m a year and chief executives £2m a year. But hundreds of their staff have to make do on the minimum wage: £6.31 an hour for over-21s; £5.03 for 18-20-year-olds; and £3.72 for under-18s.

This is a damning portrait of football, the overblown great and simple game, of course, but it is also a more general indictment of a society in which endemic, grindingly low levels of pay, too little to live on with dignity, are actually set by the government, while vast individual wealth is idolised.

Now broadcast globally to 200 countries, the Premier League is considered a great advert for Britain, with the prime minister, David Cameron, inviting the league's chief executive, Richard Scudamore, on several of his trade trips. Scudamore recently asserted that the overseas billionaires who have bought the top clubs are attracted to a game that is still "quintessentially English".

For his job, principally selling the rights to live Premier League matches exclusively so that fans here and around the world have to buy pay-TV subscriptions, Scudamore was paid a £2.5m bonus over the years of the last deal, on top of his annual salary, which was £929,000 last year.

The Citizens UK report cites the salary package of Ivan Gazidis, Arsenal's chief executive, which in 2012-13 was £1.925m. Daniel Levy, executive chairman of London's other major Premier League football club, was paid £2.2m in 2011-12, the year of the club's most recently published accounts. The package was paid by Spurs's parent company, Enic International, which is registered in the Bahamas and owned by currency trader Joe Lewis, then recharged to Spurs.

The wages of footballers, and the commissions that are raked off by their agents, have become in-your-face inflated since the First Division clubs broke away from sharing their TV income with the other three divisions of the Football League in 1992 and formed the Premier League, going on to sell the live television rights exclusively to BSkyB.

Pay that had been held down by the clubs to a maximum of £20 a week when the players' union, the PFA, succeeded in having it freed in 1961, has been unleashed to a fierce market in which the best talent's rewards have been pushed up to the current £10m and more a year.

In training ground car parks where the football stars of the 1970s were doing well to park a Cortina, it is common now to see Bentleys and Porsches being lathered and valeted by young lads, ready for when the top players finish training and come back out.

The report has not exhaustively revealed the employment conditions at clubs for catering, cleaning and other staff doing vital jobs; one of its points is that the clubs have not engaged sufficiently with the living wage cam- paign for the numbers to be established.

Only one club, Manchester City, which has been owned since 2008 by the multibillionaire Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan, a member of the Abu Dhabi ruling family, has committed to paying its staff a living wage.

Citizens UK welcomes that commitment, and calls on Manchester City to go further, to set an example and commit to ensuring that its subcontracted staff – such as those working for the catering companies which serve up major matchday profits to the football clubs – are also paid a living wage.

The Living Wage Foundation has set this at £7.65 an hour, or £8.80 in London. Far from a footballers' fortune, it is an amount aimed at enabling people who are working at least not to be on poverty pay.

The Premier League's argument, that its clubs comply with the law – and, by implication, that the government could set the minimum wage at a liveable level – is valid in its way.

However, as things stand, the national sport reflects the times the nation is living through, as it always has. And in 2013 this means glaring, soaring, virulent inequality.

I can see the redtop headlines now: scummy Arabs forcing wage inflation in football.

 

[remember arthur mann]

Beeb in full flow this morning, reporting on Vincent Tan, Lets dig up the match where Cardiff beat Man City. Munchetty on Camp Bastion Afghanistan "Wherever you go around the World everyone supports manure, even the Afghani soldiers, I bet they wear manure shirts" Dan Walker "Well yes, we saw manure, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea and er, er, Everton ones.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Didn't see this story, published last sunday, making much of a splash in the redtops



Premier League plays by government rules – with poverty wages for the rest
The state of the nation's favourite sport reflects the state the nation is in, and that means glaring, soaring, virulent inequality
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David Conn
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The Observer, Sunday 15 December 2013
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Lord Stevens Holds Press Conference Over Alleged Transfer Payments
Richard Scudamore, chief executive of the Premier League, has earned a £2.5m annual bonus on top of a generous pay deal. Photograph: Scott Barbour/Getty Images
Citizens UK's focus on the wages paid by England's Premier League football clubs exposes a stark truth about what used to be called "the people's game", and the country in which it has become all-conquering.

The historic neighbourhood football clubs, enjoying a commercial boom that has delivered a 2013-16 TV deal of £5.5bn, pay top footballers £10m a year and chief executives £2m a year. But hundreds of their staff have to make do on the minimum wage: £6.31 an hour for over-21s; £5.03 for 18-20-year-olds; and £3.72 for under-18s.

This is a damning portrait of football, the overblown great and simple game, of course, but it is also a more general indictment of a society in which endemic, grindingly low levels of pay, too little to live on with dignity, are actually set by the government, while vast individual wealth is idolised.

Now broadcast globally to 200 countries, the Premier League is considered a great advert for Britain, with the prime minister, David Cameron, inviting the league's chief executive, Richard Scudamore, on several of his trade trips. Scudamore recently asserted that the overseas billionaires who have bought the top clubs are attracted to a game that is still "quintessentially English".

For his job, principally selling the rights to live Premier League matches exclusively so that fans here and around the world have to buy pay-TV subscriptions, Scudamore was paid a £2.5m bonus over the years of the last deal, on top of his annual salary, which was £929,000 last year.

The Citizens UK report cites the salary package of Ivan Gazidis, Arsenal's chief executive, which in 2012-13 was £1.925m. Daniel Levy, executive chairman of London's other major Premier League football club, was paid £2.2m in 2011-12, the year of the club's most recently published accounts. The package was paid by Spurs's parent company, Enic International, which is registered in the Bahamas and owned by currency trader Joe Lewis, then recharged to Spurs.

The wages of footballers, and the commissions that are raked off by their agents, have become in-your-face inflated since the First Division clubs broke away from sharing their TV income with the other three divisions of the Football League in 1992 and formed the Premier League, going on to sell the live television rights exclusively to BSkyB.

Pay that had been held down by the clubs to a maximum of £20 a week when the players' union, the PFA, succeeded in having it freed in 1961, has been unleashed to a fierce market in which the best talent's rewards have been pushed up to the current £10m and more a year.

In training ground car parks where the football stars of the 1970s were doing well to park a Cortina, it is common now to see Bentleys and Porsches being lathered and valeted by young lads, ready for when the top players finish training and come back out.

The report has not exhaustively revealed the employment conditions at clubs for catering, cleaning and other staff doing vital jobs; one of its points is that the clubs have not engaged sufficiently with the living wage cam- paign for the numbers to be established.

Only one club, Manchester City, which has been owned since 2008 by the multibillionaire Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan, a member of the Abu Dhabi ruling family, has committed to paying its staff a living wage.

Citizens UK welcomes that commitment, and calls on Manchester City to go further, to set an example and commit to ensuring that its subcontracted staff – such as those working for the catering companies which serve up major matchday profits to the football clubs – are also paid a living wage.

The Living Wage Foundation has set this at £7.65 an hour, or £8.80 in London. Far from a footballers' fortune, it is an amount aimed at enabling people who are working at least not to be on poverty pay.

The Premier League's argument, that its clubs comply with the law – and, by implication, that the government could set the minimum wage at a liveable level – is valid in its way.

However, as things stand, the national sport reflects the times the nation is living through, as it always has. And in 2013 this means glaring, soaring, virulent inequality.

I can see the redtop headlines now: scummy Arabs forcing wage inflation in football.

Manchester City ruining bosses profits since 1894

 

[aguero93:20]

Didn't see this story, published last sunday, making much of a splash in the redtops



Premier League plays by government rules – with poverty wages for the rest
The state of the nation's favourite sport reflects the state the nation is in, and that means glaring, soaring, virulent inequality
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David Conn
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The Observer, Sunday 15 December 2013
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Lord Stevens Holds Press Conference Over Alleged Transfer Payments
Richard Scudamore, chief executive of the Premier League, has earned a £2.5m annual bonus on top of a generous pay deal. Photograph: Scott Barbour/Getty Images
Citizens UK's focus on the wages paid by England's Premier League football clubs exposes a stark truth about what used to be called "the people's game", and the country in which it has become all-conquering.

The historic neighbourhood football clubs, enjoying a commercial boom that has delivered a 2013-16 TV deal of £5.5bn, pay top footballers £10m a year and chief executives £2m a year. But hundreds of their staff have to make do on the minimum wage: £6.31 an hour for over-21s; £5.03 for 18-20-year-olds; and £3.72 for under-18s.

This is a damning portrait of football, the overblown great and simple game, of course, but it is also a more general indictment of a society in which endemic, grindingly low levels of pay, too little to live on with dignity, are actually set by the government, while vast individual wealth is idolised.

Now broadcast globally to 200 countries, the Premier League is considered a great advert for Britain, with the prime minister, David Cameron, inviting the league's chief executive, Richard Scudamore, on several of his trade trips. Scudamore recently asserted that the overseas billionaires who have bought the top clubs are attracted to a game that is still "quintessentially English".

For his job, principally selling the rights to live Premier League matches exclusively so that fans here and around the world have to buy pay-TV subscriptions, Scudamore was paid a £2.5m bonus over the years of the last deal, on top of his annual salary, which was £929,000 last year.

The Citizens UK report cites the salary package of Ivan Gazidis, Arsenal's chief executive, which in 2012-13 was £1.925m. Daniel Levy, executive chairman of London's other major Premier League football club, was paid £2.2m in 2011-12, the year of the club's most recently published accounts. The package was paid by Spurs's parent company, Enic International, which is registered in the Bahamas and owned by currency trader Joe Lewis, then recharged to Spurs.

The wages of footballers, and the commissions that are raked off by their agents, have become in-your-face inflated since the First Division clubs broke away from sharing their TV income with the other three divisions of the Football League in 1992 and formed the Premier League, going on to sell the live television rights exclusively to BSkyB.

Pay that had been held down by the clubs to a maximum of £20 a week when the players' union, the PFA, succeeded in having it freed in 1961, has been unleashed to a fierce market in which the best talent's rewards have been pushed up to the current £10m and more a year.

In training ground car parks where the football stars of the 1970s were doing well to park a Cortina, it is common now to see Bentleys and Porsches being lathered and valeted by young lads, ready for when the top players finish training and come back out.

The report has not exhaustively revealed the employment conditions at clubs for catering, cleaning and other staff doing vital jobs; one of its points is that the clubs have not engaged sufficiently with the living wage cam- paign for the numbers to be established.

Only one club, Manchester City, which has been owned since 2008 by the multibillionaire Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan, a member of the Abu Dhabi ruling family, has committed to paying its staff a living wage.

Citizens UK welcomes that commitment, and calls on Manchester City to go further, to set an example and commit to ensuring that its subcontracted staff – such as those working for the catering companies which serve up major matchday profits to the football clubs – are also paid a living wage.

The Living Wage Foundation has set this at £7.65 an hour, or £8.80 in London. Far from a footballers' fortune, it is an amount aimed at enabling people who are working at least not to be on poverty pay.

The Premier League's argument, that its clubs comply with the law – and, by implication, that the government could set the minimum wage at a liveable level – is valid in its way.

However, as things stand, the national sport reflects the times the nation is living through, as it always has. And in 2013 this means glaring, soaring, virulent inequality.

I can see the redtop headlines now: scummy Arabs forcing wage inflation in football.

Manchester City ruining bosses profits since 1894

big wake up call for Brendan Rodgers though: tea lady at eastlands loves her club more than anfield counterpart!

 

[halfcenturyup]

big wake up call for Brendan Rodgers though: tea lady at eastlands loves her club more than anfield counterpart!

I hope the kitman is happy at Anfield, though. Don't forget they are a million times more important than the manager at some clubs.

 

[Balti]

great edit by the beeb this morning

Sir Alex Ferguson: An honour to face him says Robert Mancini

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Manchester City manager Roberto Mancini says it has been "a great honour and pleasure" to take on Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson.
Ferguson, 71, will retire at the end of season after 26 years in charge and will be replaced by David Moyes.
Mancini said: "It was a great honour to beat him at Old Trafford and I wish him good luck for his future.
"I don't think there'll be another manager like him. To win every trophy for 27 years is incredible situation."

I'm fairly new to this forum and sometimes wonder what sort of future Manchester United may have.

The things I understand regarding Manchester United are as follows:-

1) That in my opinion Sir Matt Busby was the man who made Manchester United a great club in first place winning the prestigious European Cup in 1968 and more titles. Had it not been for the Munich Air Disaster in 1958, SMB would have won more.

2) Regardless of Alex Ferguson and his achievements as football manager and his eventual knighthood, AF isn't respected in the same way that Brian Clough, Bob Paisley, Bill Shankly, Jock Stein and Howard Kendall and George Graham were.

3) Alex Ferguson fell out with players and firstly got ruthless with Jaap Stam, secondly David Beckham and lastly Roy Keane, where Roy Keane stood up to him to the best and the Keane and Ferguson feud going to continue throughout the remainder of the 2010s and well into the 2020s and 2030s with Roy Keane trying to be successful to some extent within football in some sort of capacity, be it Manager, Assistant Manager or a place on the board such as the FAI (Football Association of Ireland) and his disputes with John Delaney over the mediocre, semi-professional standards of their football and leagues in general, which are the equivalent of England's League 2 and England's Blue Square Division in terms of standards and stadium capacities. Keane/O'Neill a potential Clough/Taylor duo with Keane and O'Neill learning from Brian Clough having played at Nottingham Forest?

4) Roy Keane put his body on the line for Manchester United many times and without his leadership and influence, Manchester United would never have got to the 1999 European Cup final and even winning it so late on in the game. Roy Keane and Eric Cantona were the 2 main influences. Yes, Roy Keane went on their TV channel and his departure weeks later, but Alex Ferguson also overstepped the mark prior to that in 2004, where Ferguson fell out with Manchester United's major shareholder over buying a horse and also to strive for control and power as Roy Keane rightly pointed out, which resulted in the Glazer takeover with Ferguson sucking up to the Glazers. From 2005/2006 onwards, C.Ronaldo was the catalyst helping to win the trophies and then Rooney, Tevez and Van Persie, before Ferguson finally recommended David Moyes because he was a tenacious, determined Scot and also to try to Evertonise Manchester United to sort of let the United fans down gently with bad results that the Blue half of Manchester is taking over and for the Red half to get used to it.

On the other hand, Manchester City - Similarities to West Ham United in London where both of these have Sky Blue in their club's colours, a 30+ year drought of not winning a major trophy (League Title, FA Cup, League Cup, UEFA Cup or European Cup) and West Ham United possibly growing as a club when they move from Upton Park to the Olympic Stadium in 2016, where West Ham United would get a possible takeover and turned into a force challenging for trophies?

In 15-20 years time, can Manchester City also realistically grow as a club and Manchester United experiencing financial problems, attendances at Old Trafford dropping, even the loss of the ground or, at least closure of some of it and Manchester United getting relegated to either the Championship or League 1 and never ever recovering, as well as losing their sponsors of Nike and AON/Cheverlot and ending up with sponsors like Admiral and Errea etc?

who gives a flying fuck?

rags this, rags that

yawn

 

[stonerblue]

great edit by the beeb this morning

Sir Alex Ferguson: An honour to face him says Robert Mancini

Comments (285)
Manchester City manager Roberto Mancini says it has been "a great honour and pleasure" to take on Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson.
Ferguson, 71, will retire at the end of season after 26 years in charge and will be replaced by David Moyes.
Mancini said: "It was a great honour to beat him at Old Trafford and I wish him good luck for his future.
"I don't think there'll be another manager like him. To win every trophy for 27 years is incredible situation."

I'm fairly new to this forum and sometimes wonder what sort of future Manchester United may have.

The things I understand regarding Manchester United are as follows:-

1) That in my opinion Sir Matt Busby was the man who made Manchester United a great club in first place winning the prestigious European Cup in 1968 and more titles. Had it not been for the Munich Air Disaster in 1958, SMB would have won more.

2) Regardless of Alex Ferguson and his achievements as football manager and his eventual knighthood, AF isn't respected in the same way that Brian Clough, Bob Paisley, Bill Shankly, Jock Stein and Howard Kendall and George Graham were.

3) Alex Ferguson fell out with players and firstly got ruthless with Jaap Stam, secondly David Beckham and lastly Roy Keane, where Roy Keane stood up to him to the best and the Keane and Ferguson feud going to continue throughout the remainder of the 2010s and well into the 2020s and 2030s with Roy Keane trying to be successful to some extent within football in some sort of capacity, be it Manager, Assistant Manager or a place on the board such as the FAI (Football Association of Ireland) and his disputes with John Delaney over the mediocre, semi-professional standards of their football and leagues in general, which are the equivalent of England's League 2 and England's Blue Square Division in terms of standards and stadium capacities. Keane/O'Neill a potential Clough/Taylor duo with Keane and O'Neill learning from Brian Clough having played at Nottingham Forest?

4) Roy Keane put his body on the line for Manchester United many times and without his leadership and influence, Manchester United would never have got to the 1999 European Cup final and even winning it so late on in the game. Roy Keane and Eric Cantona were the 2 main influences. Yes, Roy Keane went on their TV channel and his departure weeks later, but Alex Ferguson also overstepped the mark prior to that in 2004, where Ferguson fell out with Manchester United's major shareholder over buying a horse and also to strive for control and power as Roy Keane rightly pointed out, which resulted in the Glazer takeover with Ferguson sucking up to the Glazers. From 2005/2006 onwards, C.Ronaldo was the catalyst helping to win the trophies and then Rooney, Tevez and Van Persie, before Ferguson finally recommended David Moyes because he was a tenacious, determined Scot and also to try to Evertonise Manchester United to sort of let the United fans down gently with bad results that the Blue half of Manchester is taking over and for the Red half to get used to it.

On the other hand, Manchester City - Similarities to West Ham United in London where both of these have Sky Blue in their club's colours, a 30+ year drought of not winning a major trophy (League Title, FA Cup, League Cup, UEFA Cup or European Cup) and West Ham United possibly growing as a club when they move from Upton Park to the Olympic Stadium in 2016, where West Ham United would get a possible takeover and turned into a force challenging for trophies?

In 15-20 years time, can Manchester City also realistically grow as a club and Manchester United experiencing financial problems, attendances at Old Trafford dropping, even the loss of the ground or, at least closure of some of it and Manchester United getting relegated to either the Championship or League 1 and never ever recovering, as well as losing their sponsors of Nike and AON/Cheverlot and ending up with sponsors like Admiral and Errea etc?

who gives a flying fuck?

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WOAH. I dont know how the fuck i ended up with that quote but it is fuck all to do with me. The link i posted never once mentionrd ufuckinnited