The N word

[bluemc1]

Watch this clip.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzdcbO3XkGM[/youtube]

anyone got the clip on stage where he is saying about his white friends rapping along until they say nigga, but when he isn't there he says " i bet they lean into that shit" ?
if someone can put it up i piss myself

just looked on youtube for it and found a different one, put chris rock when can white people say niggah in, its quality

 

[Wio Gumflapdinand]

Other races should come up with an offensive "N word" for whites....like calling us "A Neville". Fuck I'd be highly offended by that, it does not get any worse than being "A Neville"

Yes it does. "P Crerand" for one, and "L.Macari" for another.

Cracker refers to "whip cracker" as in the context of slavery. Its a slur of significance.

Really, I'm going in to smack that **** parrot of mine right now, so he doesn't just want a dry treat and is actually calling me a slave driving redneck, that ****

 

[Barcon]

How do people react to the pejorative term "cracker" to describe white people. It offends me as much as the N word because of what it is actually referring to.

Really? I refer to myself as a cracker quite often. If I'm talking to an Italian I refer to myself as a Caker.

You are the descendants of slave owners then, and must pay reparations.

Like every other word these days it has taken on a different meaning.
When we are going away for the long weekend, wearing our plaid jackets, in our trucks, with our cases of beer on ice and chainsaws in the back we look pretty much like what someone would consider a cracker to look like. It's another word like hillbilly or hick. There are thousands of doctors and lawyers over here that go proper cracker like on the weekends.

 

[Why Always Ste]

I think what is obvious here to all is that some may find words offensive, others may find the same words inoffensive.

I understand the word ******, where it has been used throughout history and why many will find it offensive but I choose to not be offended by it as I'd rather when the racist barstewards decide to be racist they won't use this word....

 

[Bigga]

I think what is obvious here to all is that some may find words offensive, others may find the same words inoffensive.

I understand the word ******, where it has been used throughout history and why many will find it offensive but I choose to not be offended by it as I'd rather when the racist barstewards decide to be racist they won't use this word....

What...?? Do you mean racists aren't obvious in their racism now..??

Trying to figure out what the last part of the sentence meant.

 

[Damocles]

A semi interesting thought.

Surely the root of racism is to treat others differently based upon the colour of their skin.

Proclaiming that a black man may use a phrase that a white man cannot is treating people differently based upon the colour of their skin.

Suggesting that there is a uniquely black perspective and experience to life is as ridiculous as suggesting a uniquely white perspective to life. I could accept boundaries on cultural limits but skin colour alone plays into racism

 

[Kippax.]

If its acceptable in their own culture to call one another it, Why can't it be used by other cultures?

Oh for fucks sake.
This question has been asked and debated several times since you've been a member of this forum so why are you asking it again.

Here's a tip for finding a definitve answer, ask the next black adult you see if they're offended by you using the word.

anyone under 65 who uses, or wants to use, the word is an idiot.

And yet you make the oldest mistake in the book by commenting on it. See a topic that's already been discussed move to the next one by the time you realise your on page 3.

 

[-nibz-]

Does anyone remember Rex Kramer DANGER SEEKER ?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uwk6r8TJD2U[/youtube]

 

[Irwell]

Other races should come up with an offensive "N word" for whites....like calling us "A Neville". Fuck I'd be highly offended by that, it does not get any worse than being "A Neville"

How about P Neville? Not only a Neville, but the brain damaged one.

 

[rick773]

A semi interesting thought.

Surely the root of racism is to treat others differently based upon the colour of their skin.

Proclaiming that a black man may use a phrase that a white man cannot is treating people differently based upon the colour of their skin.

Suggesting that there is a uniquely black perspective and experience to life is as ridiculous as suggesting a uniquely white perspective to life. I could accept boundaries on cultural limits but skin colour alone plays into racism

I'd argue its almost impossible to be racist against white people as we've never been an under class, or discriminated against as a whole. Anyway, somethings just aren't fair. Why can't we as a race just give them a word? Just one word? Let them have it, its just a word. If there's ever another black leader, maybe he can make a decree that we can all say it free of impunity and guilt, but in the mean time let's just let them have it. Our small way of saying "sorry for fucking up your continent, and then following you wherever else you went on the globe and fucking that up for you too." Obviously , letting them have such a shitty word won't make up for everything, but at least its a start. Our(white people) collective need to control everything,down to a word, almost validates every stereotype/conspiracy theory held against us. We wonder why we can't say certain phrases, they wonder why we don't get stop and searched, profiled,or equally sentenced as them. Guess it all evens out.

 

[Damocles]

A semi interesting thought.

Surely the root of racism is to treat others differently based upon the colour of their skin.

Proclaiming that a black man may use a phrase that a white man cannot is treating people differently based upon the colour of their skin.

Suggesting that there is a uniquely black perspective and experience to life is as ridiculous as suggesting a uniquely white perspective to life. I could accept boundaries on cultural limits but skin colour alone plays into racism

I'd argue its almost impossible to be racist against white people as we've never been an under class, or discriminated against as a whole. Anyway, somethings just aren't fair. Why can't we as a race just give them a word? Just one word? Let them have it, its just a word. If there's ever another black leader, maybe he can make a decree that we can all say it free of impunity and guilt, but in the mean time let's just let them have it. Our small way of saying "sorry for fucking up your continent, and then following you wherever else you went on the globe and fucking that up for you too." Obviously , letting them have such a shitty word won't make up for everything, but at least its a start. Our(white people) collective need to control everything,down to a word, almost validates every stereotype/conspiracy theory held against us. We wonder why we can't say certain phrases, they wonder why we don't get stop and searched, profiled,or equally sentenced as them. Guess it all evens out.

Racism isn't about under classes, it is about the colour of somebody's skin and the treatment of them due to it.

And the answer to your question of "why not one word" is because the idea of this is a racist idea, which is the entire thing that people are attempting to avoid.

You ideas on some white conspiracy theories are asinine.

 

[Bigga]

A semi interesting thought.

Surely the root of racism is to treat others differently based upon the colour of their skin.

Proclaiming that a black man may use a phrase that a white man cannot is treating people differently based upon the colour of their skin.

Suggesting that there is a uniquely black perspective and experience to life is as ridiculous as suggesting a uniquely white perspective to life. I could accept boundaries on cultural limits but skin colour alone plays into racism

What kind of dissection are you using to promote this thought process?? The "root of racism" is to utilise the 'power' of treating people differently because of their skin. That 'power' has to be valid in order to affect.

The 'unique... perspective and experience' is leveraged at any race and/ or gender that is at the mercy of power. That power decides who sits at the table and dictates who can get what in life as an overview.

Ironically, you posted a Chris Rock clips about 'rich and wealth'. The scenario actually stands up well when you transpose the 'wealthy' for 'White Male'(in the power sense) and 'rich' for any other denomination, really.

The "most powerful man on earth" just happens to be a Black man, at the moment, and he is trying to bring better empowerment to the poorer citizens of his country and yet, he is held in check by 'wealthy men'(over 50 as a rule) that want to decide who sits at the table. I have never experienced any other president be treated with such contempt, in my lifetime.

There is a general unease about witnessing abject racism with no name on it. It is called 'silent racism', these days, but it's deafening to many.

And, yes, I am aware I am waffling...

 

[Damocles]

A semi interesting thought.

Surely the root of racism is to treat others differently based upon the colour of their skin.

Proclaiming that a black man may use a phrase that a white man cannot is treating people differently based upon the colour of their skin.

Suggesting that there is a uniquely black perspective and experience to life is as ridiculous as suggesting a uniquely white perspective to life. I could accept boundaries on cultural limits but skin colour alone plays into racism

What kind of dissection are you using to promote this thought process?? The "root of racism" is to utilise the 'power' of treating people differently because of their skin. That 'power' has to be valid in order to affect.

The 'unique... perspective and experience' is leveraged at any race and/ or gender that is at the mercy of power. That power decides who sits at the table and dictates who can get what in life as an overview.

Ironically, you posted a Chris Rock clips about 'rich and wealth'. The scenario actually stands up well when you transpose the 'wealthy' for 'White Male'(in the power sense) and 'rich' for any other denomination, really.

The "most powerful man on earth" just happens to be a Black man, at the moment, and he is trying to bring better empowerment to the poorer citizens of his country and yet, he is held in check by 'wealthy men'(over 50 as a rule) that want to decide who sits at the table. I have never experienced any other president be treated with such contempt, in my lifetime.

There is a general unease about witnessing abject racism with no name on it. It is called 'silent racism', these days, but it's deafening to many.

And, yes, I am aware I am waffling...

Are you stating then that racism in your opinion is less about skin colour and more about lack of social mobility and social power?

 

[bugsyblue]

If its acceptable in their own culture to call one another it, Why can't it be used by other cultures?

Oh my god. How fucking backward are you.

 

[Bigga]

A semi interesting thought.

Surely the root of racism is to treat others differently based upon the colour of their skin.

Proclaiming that a black man may use a phrase that a white man cannot is treating people differently based upon the colour of their skin.

Suggesting that there is a uniquely black perspective and experience to life is as ridiculous as suggesting a uniquely white perspective to life. I could accept boundaries on cultural limits but skin colour alone plays into racism

What kind of dissection are you using to promote this thought process?? The "root of racism" is to utilise the 'power' of treating people differently because of their skin. That 'power' has to be valid in order to affect.

The 'unique... perspective and experience' is leveraged at any race and/ or gender that is at the mercy of power. That power decides who sits at the table and dictates who can get what in life as an overview.

Ironically, you posted a Chris Rock clips about 'rich and wealth'. The scenario actually stands up well when you transpose the 'wealthy' for 'White Male'(in the power sense) and 'rich' for any other denomination, really.

The "most powerful man on earth" just happens to be a Black man, at the moment, and he is trying to bring better empowerment to the poorer citizens of his country and yet, he is held in check by 'wealthy men'(over 50 as a rule) that want to decide who sits at the table. I have never experienced any other president be treated with such contempt, in my lifetime.

There is a general unease about witnessing abject racism with no name on it. It is called 'silent racism', these days, but it's deafening to many.

And, yes, I am aware I am waffling...

Are you stating then that racism in your opinion is less about skin colour and more about lack of social mobility and social power?

I am saying there are different facets of power used in order to keep the dinner table as it is set.

Racism is just one of those facets.

 

[Irwell]

Oh my god. How fucking backward are you.

Nearly as much as Phil?

 

[Damocles]

I am saying there are different facets of power used in order to keep the dinner table as it is set.

Racism is just one of those facets.

Do you believe there is a conspiracy amongst non-black people either through planning, societal pressure or social norms to disengage black people from society including education and employment?

 

[Bigga]

I am saying there are different facets of power used in order to keep the dinner table as it is set.

Racism is just one of those facets.

Do you believe there is a conspiracy amongst non-black people either through planning, societal pressure or social norms to disengage black people from society including education and employment?

I think, as I always have, that power is an aphrodisiac hard to share with anyone else. Right now, we still have an old generation that leads our society. There are still remnants of that 'old generation' influencing this current generation, but crucially this is beginning to dissipate with greater understanding and acceptance of one another.

'Closet racism' is a term not oft used as it is uncomfortable for many to accept. The best example is the police force; how representative of society is it? Not very much. I could probably say the same of teachers, the army and navy. Not very diverse at the top, but old thinking steers the ship in the face of changing times.

Another good example of 'old thinking power control' is the Middle East, but look at the swift revolution taking place! But, I digress...

Closer to home, as a people, it all seems cosy cos we're all living with comforts to take our minds off things.

Even I don't think too much who represents or speaks for me, cos I look at Parliament and it's all the same types of faces; middle to upper Pigs rubbing their fat bellies at their constant free meals. I still hope Labour offers some sort of progressive thinking, but who knows much 'old thinking/ habit' is still left?

This 'old thinking', hopefully, will peter out in around 30 years, so there's hope yet that people will just regard each other as Human Beings and move forward.

Bah, I KNOW I'm waffling now!!

 

[johnmc]

I am saying there are different facets of power used in order to keep the dinner table as it is set.

Racism is just one of those facets.

Do you believe there is a conspiracy amongst non-black people either through planning, societal pressure or social norms to disengage black people from society including education and employment?

I think, as I always have, that power is an aphrodisiac hard to share with anyone else. Right now, we still have an old generation that leads our society. There are still remnants of that 'old generation' influencing this current generation, but crucially this is beginning to dissipate with greater understanding and acceptance of one another.

'Closet racism' is a term not oft used as it is uncomfortable for many to accept. The best example is the police force; how representative of society is it? Not very much. I could probably say the same of teachers, the army and navy. Not very diverse at the top, but old thinking steers the ship in the face of changing times.

Another good example of 'old thinking power control' is the Middle East, but look at the swift revolution taking place! But, I digress...

Closer to home, as a people, it all seems cosy cos we're all living with comforts to take our minds off things.

Even I don't think too much who represents or speaks for me, cos I look at Parliament and it's all the same types of faces; middle to upper Pigs rubbing their fat bellies at their constant free meals. I still hope Labour offers some sort of progressive thinking, but who knows much 'old thinking/ habit' is still left?

This 'old thinking', hopefully, will peter out in around 30 years, so there's hope yet that people will just regard each other as Human Beings and move forward.

Bah, I KNOW I'm waffling now!!

Would you agree that the heads of the police, education sector, armed forces etc are predominantly male? If so we are living in a racist sexist country?

 

[rick773]

A semi interesting thought.

Surely the root of racism is to treat others differently based upon the colour of their skin.

Proclaiming that a black man may use a phrase that a white man cannot is treating people differently based upon the colour of their skin.

Suggesting that there is a uniquely black perspective and experience to life is as ridiculous as suggesting a uniquely white perspective to life. I could accept boundaries on cultural limits but skin colour alone plays into racism

I'd argue its almost impossible to be racist against white people as we've never been an under class, or discriminated against as a whole. Anyway, somethings just aren't fair. Why can't we as a race just give them a word? Just one word? Let them have it, its just a word. If there's ever another black leader, maybe he can make a decree that we can all say it free of impunity and guilt, but in the mean time let's just let them have it. Our small way of saying "sorry for fucking up your continent, and then following you wherever else you went on the globe and fucking that up for you too." Obviously , letting them have such a shitty word won't make up for everything, but at least its a start. Our(white people) collective need to control everything,down to a word, almost validates every stereotype/conspiracy theory held against us. We wonder why we can't say certain phrases, they wonder why we don't get stop and searched, profiled,or equally sentenced as them. Guess it all evens out.

Racism isn't about under classes, it is about the colour of somebody's skin and the treatment of them due to it.

And the answer to your question of "why not one word" is because the idea of this is a racist idea, which is the entire thing that people are attempting to avoid.

You ideas on some white conspiracy theories are asinine.

So "cracker" has the same level of offence as a slur directed at a minority? I don't think it does and I don't think it ever will.

What ideas are those?I'm not sure I've shared any. My point was it's hard to discredit what Diane Abbott said on twitter(I'm not even sure if this is the right racism defending thread that mentioned her, since theres like 8 right now) or that were somehow moving past racism, or living in a post racial society, when we can't get get past this word. Let alone larger more important issues.