The new young guvnors book

......I watched a TV programme recently about the ’70’s which really hit the nail on the head as far as football hoolies were concerned. It took a hold because in the 70’s, the ‘grown ups’ had more options for their leisure time and therefore stopped going to football matches with their kids on Saturday afternoons. The youth therefore had no authority figure around to put them in check when they started to play up.

In this new book, I wonder if there is a chapter that basically say’s “ I did it because my Dad/Grandad was at home doing the garden/washing the car/putting an MFI wardrobe together and so I could get away with it”

If it doesn’t, it should.
 
The parents had more things to do with their Saturdays?.....A few drift away for sure here and there,particularly when their team isn't doing too well,but the majority as we know go every week,you can't just 'Stop.'So i am sceptical about that one.

The sixties/seventies was a time when youth was becoming more empowered and rebelling ,football gave them a cover to cause mayhem and on the whole get away with it.Remember in the early days there was no CCTV and camera phones etcetera.If you didn't get nicked on the day you were usually off scott free.Even if you did usually the police kept you in for the duration of the match,then gave you a slap and booted you out.If you were unfortunate enough to go to court it was usually a £25 fine.

Most people in those days ended up getting caught up in it whether you wanted it or not,especially if you travelled away.Even if it was just getting legged,dodging the odd brick or bottle,it affected everyone.Also innocent or guilty you were classed and treated like scum by the police,who often went out of their way to provoke you so they could give you a hiding.
 
BlueHubert said:
Who would want to read a book about a load of chavs getting into fights with other low-life?
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Everyone is entitled to an opinion and for many that will be the view. For anyone supporting a football club from the sixties onwards violence,the threat of or participating in it,was part and parcel of going to the match.It really was hard to avoid and trust me even if you tried you would still get the odd smack, or get chased either at the match or going to and from your mode of transport before and after it.

The books are a microcosm for many of what following football was about in those times,so they can relate to them.For those who weren't they offer a view of what it was like for millions up and down the country back then.

It is also a common misconception also that all football hooligans were thick chavs.In fact they came from all walks of lives and counted amongst them solicitors,teachers,social workers and other fine upstanding members of society, bonded together by the fact they just loved the adrenaline rush of fighting at football on a Saturday afternoon.

Young men in general are territorial and fight.Go into any town centre and nightclub on a weekend and you will see this often.Football was just another avenue for that aggression and energy and made the headlines because hundreds and thousands were involved at one time,instead of one or two in a club.

I am not condoning or condemning it.It was part of life and for some it still sadly is.
 
paulchapo said:
The parents had more things to do with their Saturdays?.....A few drift away for sure here and there,particularly when their team isn't doing too well,but the majority as we know go every week,you can't just 'Stop.'So i am sceptical about that one.

The sixties/seventies was a time when youth was becoming more empowered and rebelling ,football gave them a cover to cause mayhem and on the whole get away with it.Remember in the early days there was no CCTV and camera phones etcetera.If you didn't get nicked on the day you were usually off scott free.Even if you did usually the police kept you in for the duration of the match,then gave you a slap and booted you out.If you were unfortunate enough to go to court it was usually a £25 fine.

Most people in those days ended up getting caught up in it whether you wanted it or not,especially if you travelled away.Even if it was just getting legged,dodging the odd brick or bottle,it affected everyone.Also innocent or guilty you were classed and treated like scum by the police,who often went out of their way to provoke you so they could give you a hiding.
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The stats seem to suggest that the drop off in crowds aided the growth of football trouble - it wasn’t hooliganism that caused the fall in crowds. For this reason, it didn’t happen in the 50’s or for most of the 60’s.

I was there in the 70’s and got involved with it (loved every moment of it by the way), but thinking back, my old man had stopped going and had he have been there, I wouldn’t have done it for fear of getting a good hiding off him. I’ve never stopped going, my lad has come with me from the age of 6, he’s 19 now and the prospect of him being involved in organised hooliganism is zero for a number of reasons, mainly due to the major changes to the game over the last 30 years, however, if he was tempted, he probably wouldn’t because I’m there.

It doesn’t stop either of us wanting to wade in to Utd fans at the Derby weilding an axe, but there are plenty of ‘checks and balances’ these days to stop it happening.
 
I dipped my toe in the water here and there as did probably most people who went in those days.For me personally it was never about wanting to hurt anybody too much it was more the buzz,the banter and holding our own against anyone trying to take a liberty with our town or fans.Certain fans used to boil the blood more than others,cockneys,the scousers and Leeds the most after our lovable neighbours,lol!

In fact my mates and myself would fight United everywhere we encountered them,from clubs,to bus stops to Altrincham ice rink,If they were there and wanted it they got it!

It is different times now and mostly for the good.Anyone who gets involved now is mad,with all the cameras and banning orders it just isn't worth it,especially as we have a decent team now for the first time in 35 years!
 
a lad who went by the name paul chapman. gave evidance against the govmors at liverpool crown court.
doubt the slime ball would come on here and have the cheek to discuss this topic.
 
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