The positive and sensible thread

[Bill]

I'm pretty positive he'll fuck up again. There is a bright side though. There is a circus coming to debdale park and they are short of clowns, might pop this in the bluemoon job thread for him.

 

[kupest]

I hate all this OTT positivity that people seem to force when things aren't going so well.

What is positive about going out in the FA Cup Quarter Final at home to Wigan when only 1 or 2 players perform? What is wrong with criticising those performances? Doesn't make you any less of a fan.

Even if we go out on Wednesday and can't catch Chelsea, this season will still be a success in Pelegrini's first but that doesn't mean we can't say that Sunday was unacceptable.

That is kind of my point as well. It is disappointing to lose to Wigan and very unexpected, but these things happen and our season success isn't dependent on that one game. Looking at the football played from the start of the season and us being competitive in all the competitions we should be a happy bunch.

Just look at it this way if we are to win our 3 league games in hand, we would be top. Don't you think around March being top of the league, winning the COC, CL vs Barcelona and a quaterfinal exit in the FA cup isn't a good season.

I do think our players are getting a bit jaded and that is affecting our pressing and linkup play a lot.

 

[Oyster28catcher]

There are massive positives to take. We just need to grind out a win and get back on a run. The expansive, attacking and pressing football needs a big kick. Too long has the defence been left exposed by this. We need everyone bleeding sky blue, ready to bust a gut and provide that title winning pass, week in-week out. We can't look back and worry about errors, we need to focus on training, correcting lapses of concentration and showing why we had scored so many, so soon - up until the recent drought (7 goals for to 6 goals conceded in our last 7 games IS not bad, but it sure as hell won't help your form).

Teams are only going to get harder to play against, up until the league defeat against Chelsea at home, I thought we were focusing well on "the next team."

The squad had some depth, but not little enough to merit a panic.

9 points off the top with some cracking ties left... we need to win them all, or at least go down fighting hard. 2nd place last season was deserved, the season before we did it, and before that we were 3rd. try telling me there are two teams in the league better than us overall? Really? No chance. If it goes down to the wire, we have pedigree and a squad fit for the challenge.

We just need the club to become the super strong team they started off this season as.

One game at a time please!

HOME (18 points)
Sunderland
Villa
Fulham
Saints
WHU
WBA

Away (18 points)
EVERTON
AR$ENAL
LIVERPOOL
MAN U
HULL
PALACE

Away-cup:
BARCA (and potentially 5 more ties) - a win this week could gee us up!

I won't end on a gimmick like hashtag believe or that such. But, we can do it.

 

[pride in battle]

I'm pretty positive he'll fuck up again. There is a bright side though. There is a circus coming to debdale park and they are short of clowns, might pop this in the bluemoon job thread for him.

You are embarrassing yourself, so the manager is at fault for players going through the motions against Wigan for 60 min?

 

[Bill]

I'm pretty positive he'll fuck up again. There is a bright side though. There is a circus coming to debdale park and they are short of clowns, might pop this in the bluemoon job thread for him.

You are embarrassing yourself, so the manager is at fault for players going through the motions against Wigan for 60 min?

He put them there. I'm not embarrassed one bit. Well I am but only for being taken in by a clown.

 

[BringBackSwales]

My positive take on the current situation:-

1. Shed loads of money saved by not being at Wembley.
2. No MDM to watch on Wednesday.
3. Club will now have to prioritise the buying of the players we require to strengthen our weaknesses.

I tried to think of more but failed miserably.

Less games to fit in so we have a better chance of winning the league?

 

[Blumers Bloomers]

"Regarding tactics when Pelle chose 1 up top for Barca and then lost everyone said he should have gone 2 up top. When he lost with 2 everyone is saying..."

Not everyone. The Barca selection had some thought behind it and was sensible. There wasn't much wrong with yesterday's selection except Navas and Richards don't work together and I am not a fan of Toure and Garcia as a midfield two. Especially against a midfield 5 in full on press and harry mode.

And I hate threads titled 'The positive and sensible thread'. Seriously its annoying.

I think overall the Wigan defeat did highlight weaknesses in our team\squad and one or two or things to think about.

Firstly would Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal or other top English clubs have lost at home to a Championship side or lose twice to Wigan as we have, or any top European side have lost to lower league opposition at home ?
If we want to be the very best we should be able to cope with Wigan at home. Defeats to better teams in the Premier League and in Europe can be more easily understood, but defeats such as Wigan and Cardiff really should be avoided if we are to really become a major force.

Secondly, maybe now we finally now know that Dzeko and Garcia and Clichy and probably Kolarov and Pantillimon (and maybe Lescott although he seems fine when Kompany is present) and the much maligned Demechillis, are not quite good enough if City are to be truly a world class team.

Thirdly it is not Yaya Toure or David Silva or Sergio Aguero who are the most important members of our team, but in fact Vincent Kompany is the most important player we miss the most when he is not there.

Fourthly, Dietmar Hamann had some point about Yaya Toure in the sense that it is like City hold 17's in a card game and when Yaya plays we twist and he can produce magical important moments to give us a 21 hand, but he can sometime also bust our hand so to speak.

Fifthly, James Milner is always a better backup for Toure and Fernandinho if either of them is not selected.

Sixthly, Negredo is right out of form at present. Maybe if Jovetic is fit this week v Hill say we need to have him in with Aguero.

And finally why some many unnecessary bookings and Toure unless injured when subbed should sit on the bench and not disappear down the tunnel

One other point about City since the time when Mancini took charge and our "winning" started. Each time we have had a mini "crisis" over teh last 3 years we have in general produced something to get over it quickly.

i.e.
prior to beating Utd in the FA Cup semi in 2011 we lost badly at Liverpool and our top 4 finish seemed a bit in danger, but of course we beat Utd, won the Cup, beat Spurs and finished 3rd.

Prior to winning the Prem. League in stoppage time, we of course looked like throwing it away with defeats at Everton and Arsenal in particular and a home draw with Sunderland, but we of course again went on beat Utd, Newcastle and QPR to win it

With Pellegrini we had early defeats at Cardiff, Aston Villa, Sunderland etc but then beat Utd, Arsenal, Spurs and others and had a good run up to and including the win away at Spurs.

Again with Pellegrini again we lost at home to Chelsea, drew at Norwich and have seen Chelsea and Liverpool catch us, but this has been softened by the League Cup win.

Thus can we continue this trend and either pull off a shock in Barcelona or put some pressure back on Chelsea and Liverpool by winning the difficult early kick off v Hull on Saturday ? The only time in the last 3 years we have not picked up after a bad run was losing the Cup Final to Wigan after the League title was gone, and this ultimately lost Mancini his job (or at least provided one of the reasons)

Personally now I think Chelsea will win the League due to our difficult fixtures v Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool and Everton away (could even the most positive supporter now seeing us winning at least 3 of those games ?) , but we need a positive result from one or both the next 2 games to either get further in the Champs League or push on to ensure we finish at worst 3rd in the League.

Interesting week ahead !

How do you get to the conclusion Kolarov isn't good enough when he wasn't even playing?!

 

[bobom]

I'm pretty positive he'll fuck up again. There is a bright side though. There is a circus coming to debdale park and they are short of clowns, might pop this in the bluemoon job thread for him.

You are embarrassing yourself, so the manager is at fault for players going through the motions against Wigan for 60 min?

He put them there. I'm not embarrassed one bit. Well I am but only for being taken in by a clown.

Very funny, you had me there.

 

[ManCitizens.]

"Regarding tactics when Pelle chose 1 up top for Barca and then lost everyone said he should have gone 2 up top. When he lost with 2 everyone is saying..."

Not everyone. The Barca selection had some thought behind it and was sensible. There wasn't much wrong with yesterday's selection except Navas and Richards don't work together and I am not a fan of Toure and Garcia as a midfield two. Especially against a midfield 5 in full on press and harry mode.

And I hate threads titled 'The positive and sensible thread'. Seriously its annoying.

I think overall the Wigan defeat did highlight weaknesses in our team\squad and one or two or things to think about.

Firstly would Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal or other top English clubs have lost at home to a Championship side or lose twice to Wigan as we have, or any top European side have lost to lower league opposition at home ?
If we want to be the very best we should be able to cope with Wigan at home. Defeats to better teams in the Premier League and in Europe can be more easily understood, but defeats such as Wigan and Cardiff really should be avoided if we are to really become a major force.

Secondly, maybe now we finally now know that Dzeko and Garcia and Clichy and probably Kolarov and Pantillimon (and maybe Lescott although he seems fine when Kompany is present) and the much maligned Demechillis, are not quite good enough if City are to be truly a world class team.

Thirdly it is not Yaya Toure or David Silva or Sergio Aguero who are the most important members of our team, but in fact Vincent Kompany is the most important player we miss the most when he is not there.

Fourthly, Dietmar Hamann had some point about Yaya Toure in the sense that it is like City hold 17's in a card game and when Yaya plays we twist and he can produce magical important moments to give us a 21 hand, but he can sometime also bust our hand so to speak.

Fifthly, James Milner is always a better backup for Toure and Fernandinho if either of them is not selected.

Sixthly, Negredo is right out of form at present. Maybe if Jovetic is fit this week v Hill say we need to have him in with Aguero.

And finally why some many unnecessary bookings and Toure unless injured when subbed should sit on the bench and not disappear down the tunnel

One other point about City since the time when Mancini took charge and our "winning" started. Each time we have had a mini "crisis" over teh last 3 years we have in general produced something to get over it quickly.

i.e.
prior to beating Utd in the FA Cup semi in 2011 we lost badly at Liverpool and our top 4 finish seemed a bit in danger, but of course we beat Utd, won the Cup, beat Spurs and finished 3rd.

Prior to winning the Prem. League in stoppage time, we of course looked like throwing it away with defeats at Everton and Arsenal in particular and a home draw with Sunderland, but we of course again went on beat Utd, Newcastle and QPR to win it

With Pellegrini we had early defeats at Cardiff, Aston Villa, Sunderland etc but then beat Utd, Arsenal, Spurs and others and had a good run up to and including the win away at Spurs.

Again with Pellegrini again we lost at home to Chelsea, drew at Norwich and have seen Chelsea and Liverpool catch us, but this has been softened by the League Cup win.

Thus can we continue this trend and either pull off a shock in Barcelona or put some pressure back on Chelsea and Liverpool by winning the difficult early kick off v Hull on Saturday ? The only time in the last 3 years we have not picked up after a bad run was losing the Cup Final to Wigan after the League title was gone, and this ultimately lost Mancini his job (or at least provided one of the reasons)

Personally now I think Chelsea will win the League due to our difficult fixtures v Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool and Everton away (could even the most positive supporter now seeing us winning at least 3 of those games ?) , but we need a positive result from one or both the next 2 games to either get further in the Champs League or push on to ensure we finish at worst 3rd in the League.

Interesting week ahead !

How do you get to the conclusion Kolarov isn't good enough when he wasn't even playing?!

Agreed, there hasn't been a better left back in the league this season.

 

[BringBackSwales]

on another day dzeko would have scored a hat trick , and if hart and kompany had started the match , i beleive we would have had a clean sheet , wigan got lucky , we rested too many players and the officials favoured the poor little underdogs , it happens in the FA Cup. We are off to the Nou Camp , we already have a cup in the trophy cabinet , and we are one of 3 serious contenders for the premiership , a little perspective wouldnt go amiss

Out of interest which one of Liverpool and Arsenal isn't a serious contender for the premier league?

 

[cheddar404]

I'm pretty positive he'll fuck up again. There is a bright side though. There is a circus coming to debdale park and they are short of clowns, might pop this in the bluemoon job thread for him.

You are embarrassing yourself, so the manager is at fault for players going through the motions against Wigan for 60 min?

The buck stops with the manager so yes. If the players played like that for a whole season, would you blame the manager? Yes is the answer to that question. Players are largely idiots. The manager is there to coax the best out of them. That's 3 times in the FA Cup that it's happened: Blackburn, Watford and Wigan. It happened in the league cup final too. Pellegrini out? Absolutely not but is report reads "must do better" which is giving me flashbacks of my schooldays.

 

[chedlee]

Reading the comments since Sunday and, if I am honest, examining my own response, highlights how far we still have to go, both fans and players, before we start to realise our ambitions; that we are going to be one of the biggest football clubs in the world.

The last two matches have been against teams for whom this was, literally and metaphorically, their cup finals. The team just about managed it at Wembley and almost repeated that on Sunday. What they did in both games was to start in a manner that suggested they believed they would win regardless of how much effort they actually put in. This is a valuable lesson for the next time.

This is where I take exception with some of the fans reactions (and my own), we cannot treat every important game the same, some will, inevitably, have greater importance. The manager recognises this and so should we. We will be in the mix for the domestic cups every season now, there is no doubt about that. We won one this year, should have done last year and probably will next. That is not arrogance, that is our stated intent, and has to be our aim. We will be vying for the title next year, as we are this year, as we have been the past 2 seasons. The Champions League will take longer but we will be in the final in the next 3 seasons.

This will involve a change in some of the players. Some will be replaced, some will understand how much more they need to do mentally and physically and will adapt accordingly. What won't change in the next 2 seasons is the manager, although he will adapt the way he works and will improve his selections and decisions.

As fans we need to encourage and support, as we have throughout my whole life of being a blue, whenever and wherever we can. We also need to criticize and castigate when the need arises. Two recent examples of which are first half Sunday and first half Capital cup. The positive is that the team responded on both occasions.

I am not trying to do the 'look where we've come from, be grateful' routine, we, as fans, deserve everything that is happening at this football club. so let's enjoy it, this season, next season and as long as it lasts and that includes getting beat now and again.

 

[WickyWain]

I'm pretty positive he'll fuck up again. There is a bright side though. There is a circus coming to debdale park and they are short of clowns, might pop this in the bluemoon job thread for him.

Agreed, bring back Pearce.

 

[aguero93:20]

I'm pretty positive he'll fuck up again. There is a bright side though. There is a circus coming to debdale park and they are short of clowns, might pop this in the bluemoon job thread for him.

Agreed, bring back Pearce.

Fuck pearce, bring back ball.

 

[BringBackSwales]

I'm pretty positive he'll fuck up again. There is a bright side though. There is a circus coming to debdale park and they are short of clowns, might pop this in the bluemoon job thread for him.

Agreed, bring back Pearce.

Fuck pearce, bring back ball.

and me

 

[aguero93:20]

And swales.

 

[Anonymous]

I was judging Kolarov and all players based overall on all their appearances not just Sundays game

I do not believe Kolarov is quite of enough quality overall if we want City to be the very best.

 

[Rösler von Stretfordbömber]

Under the red-nose GPC twat, the rags won how many FA Cups? Maybe 3, 4 that I can remember?

So should GPC have been strung from the highest lanyard every year other than those? And I suspect that lot got run out of a lot of those competitions because they were in contention for the League and Champions League and had to do a bit of squad rotation.

Crticising the manager and team selection and tactics is what the internet was made for. Along with porn. But for fucks sake the people coming on here with "Pellers out" on Sunday are utterly and POSITIVELY deranged. You don't build a club or any record of success by acting like a bunch of screeching little girls, overreacting to one result, and casting off managers (and players - i.e. Kolarov, Nasri, Hart, and even Garcia; all are proving valuable to the club after half this forum wanted them fucked off at one point or another within the last 12 months.)

 

[BringBackSwales]

And swales.

I already said that

 

[aguero93:20]

And swales.

I already said that

I was agreeing, hard to quote longer posts on the phone. I was thinking we should re-sign tal ben haim to replace mdm too.