The Post General Election Thread

[kaz7]

When mega-brain ids has a light-bulb moment and decides to back-date the bed-room tax in order to expedite his cunning plan to eliminate poverty by increasing poverty, the laughter and gleeful jubilation, the snidey sneering insults from the supporters of the ''let's kick-a-cripple party'' will reach new depths.
Calling the bed-room tax the bed-room tax has had an extraordinary effect for something so trivial, Mighty has been the indignation, a cacophony of shrill and fierce battle-cries from the massed ranks of the ( here we go) " strivers, the hard-workers, the thoroughly decent chaps and chappesses, the patently worthy champions of the conservative cause.
Perhaps by pretending it's not a tax somehow legitimises it in their eyes, who knows, or cares really, but it definitely hits a nerve. Almost causing a break-down in one poster's case. Another interesting effect is the number of so-called fence-sitters who have let their mask slip and revealed their true colours. Fell off the fence, straight into the blue party garden. It's a tax btw, it's a mean and vindictive tax designed to appeal to those who will never have to face it's willfully spiteful consequences.

Well said but they don't give a shit and never will

 

[Damocles]

Just as many undeserving cases got lots of disability benefit for years, now some who perhaps do deserve it get nothing.

So a 20 year old newly disabled gets shafted and your excuse is "well people claiming disability have had it easy for years"?

I'm sure that his spirit of efficiency is soaring at this news. But it doesn't pay the gas bill.

It is just the way it is.

Government bungled when it gave out loads of disability benefit over the years to people who didn't really need or deserve it, and government is bungling now when it tries to correct this problem of its own making.

Never expect efficiency from the government.

You're dodging the issue, or more to the point you are dodging the specificity of it.

I'm asking YOU, not some hypothetical person, why the disabled of today should be punished for inefficiencies in the past. How is this in any way fair?

 

[hilts]

My wife has been awarded indefinite DLA, has has done for a few years, in my view that 43% of people who were taken off benefits, 12 months on, weren't receiving any money at all. We're all those people claiming fraudulently?

Don't mention the word fraud it isn't relevant and will set rascal off with his ridiculous 0.2 percent claim

DWP official figures not mine.

And it is 0.5% for DLA fraud btw....Official DWP figures....not mine.


But of course the DWP who want to make reductions of 20% in what they pay could be lying......like that would make sense.

Like I said not relevant but I knew you would jump in regardless

 

[Damocles]

Don't mention the word fraud it isn't relevant and will set rascal off with his ridiculous 0.2 percent claim

DWP official figures not mine.

And it is 0.5% for DLA fraud btw....Official DWP figures....not mine.


But of course the DWP who want to make reductions of 20% in what they pay could be lying......like that would make sense.

Like I said not relevant but I knew you would jump in regardless

Do you not think that the only reliable figures showing a 0.5% issue are absolutely definitely relevant to this discussion?

In fact in terms of relevant that is possibly the most relevant thing that could have been posted.

 

[urmston]

So a 20 year old newly disabled gets shafted and your excuse is "well people claiming disability have had it easy for years"?

I'm sure that his spirit of efficiency is soaring at this news. But it doesn't pay the gas bill.

It is just the way it is.

Government bungled when it gave out loads of disability benefit over the years to people who didn't really need or deserve it, and government is bungling now when it tries to correct this problem of its own making.

Never expect efficiency from the government.

You're dodging the issue, or more to the point you are dodging the specificity of it.

I'm asking YOU, not some hypothetical person, why the disabled of today should be punished for inefficiencies in the past. How is this in any way fair?

I'm not dodging the issue at all, or the specificity of it, whatever that means,

If you read my posts YOU'll see I explained why I think fairness for absolutely everyone is something we are never going to get from the clumsy hand of government.

Anyone who expects it is naïve, young or both.

 

[hilts]

DWP official figures not mine.

And it is 0.5% for DLA fraud btw....Official DWP figures....not mine.


But of course the DWP who want to make reductions of 20% in what they pay could be lying......like that would make sense.

Like I said not relevant but I knew you would jump in regardless

Do you not think that the only reliable figures showing a 0.5% issue are absolutely definitely relevant to this discussion?

In fact in terms of relevant that is possibly the most relevant thing that could have been posted.

I am guessing you are not being serious

 

[Damocles]

It is just the way it is.

Government bungled when it gave out loads of disability benefit over the years to people who didn't really need or deserve it, and government is bungling now when it tries to correct this problem of its own making.

Never expect efficiency from the government.

You're dodging the issue, or more to the point you are dodging the specificity of it.

I'm asking YOU, not some hypothetical person, why the disabled of today should be punished for inefficiencies in the past. How is this in any way fair?

I'm not dodging the issue at all, or the specificity of it, whatever that means,

If you read my posts YOU'll see I explained why I think fairness for absolutely everyone is something we are never going to get from the clumsy hand of government.

Anyone who expects it is naïve, young or both.

That's not an argument, it's a cliche; something you often get confused about.

The point that I was responding to, was when you implied that a young disabled lad is basically shit out of luck because of mistakes of the past. And more the acceptance of this as something that's perfectly normal.

This would be akin to calling you a colonial slave driving racist and saying that it's perfectly fine that people treat you like this

 

[Damocles]

Like I said not relevant but I knew you would jump in regardless

Do you not think that the only reliable figures showing a 0.5% issue are absolutely definitely relevant to this discussion?

In fact in terms of relevant that is possibly the most relevant thing that could have been posted.

I am guessing you are not being serious

So in a discussion regarding the benefit system and the cutting of it to prevent fraudulent claims, you believe that the only reliable statistics concerning fraudulent claims is not a relevant piece of information?

Well fuck me, that's an interesting one.

 

[urmston]

You're dodging the issue, or more to the point you are dodging the specificity of it.

I'm asking YOU, not some hypothetical person, why the disabled of today should be punished for inefficiencies in the past. How is this in any way fair?

I'm not dodging the issue at all, or the specificity of it, whatever that means,

If you read my posts YOU'll see I explained why I think fairness for absolutely everyone is something we are never going to get from the clumsy hand of government.

Anyone who expects it is naïve, young or both.

That's not an argument, it's a cliche; something you often get confused about.

The point that I was responding to, was when you implied that a young disabled lad is basically shit out of luck because of mistakes of the past. And more the acceptance of this as something that's perfectly normal.

This would be akin to calling you a colonial slave driving racist and saying that it's perfectly fine that people treat you like this

I think you are getting a bit overexcited.

 

[mackenzie]

I can't put into words the fear I have regarding the Public Service over the next 5 years. This lot were reined in by the Lib Dems but now they have carte blanche.