The Post General Election Thread

[hilts]

Do you not think that the only reliable figures showing a 0.5% issue are absolutely definitely relevant to this discussion?

In fact in terms of relevant that is possibly the most relevant thing that could have been posted.

I am guessing you are not being serious

So in a discussion regarding the benefit system and the cutting of it to prevent fraudulent claims, you believe that the only reliable statistics concerning fraudulent claims is not a relevant piece of information?

Well fuck me, that's an interesting one.

Okay I will have to explain then, the government in its wisdom decided that they would change the system for those receiving disability allowance, they are under the impression that some who receive the benefit are capable of work, rascal quoted 20 percent, let's say this is true, he then claims that as only 0.5 percent are fraudulent claimants it doesn't add up

What he and you are missing and I find baffling is that the vast majority of those who they now deem fit to do some kind of work were perfectly entitled to claim disability previously, the weren't defrauding anyone

They are clamping down on what constitutes a non working disability they are not saying you were conning the old system

It's not about Johnny boy claiming for a bad back but doing a bit of cage fighting at the weekend

But as per the government as they all do fucked up the assessment by using a dodgy company chasing profits

 

[hilts]

I can't put into words the fear I have regarding the Public Service over the next 5 years. This lot were reined in by the Lib Dems but now they have carte blanche.

You can blame the dumb ass lib dem voters who deserted them because they couldn't comprehend how a coalition works

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I'm pretty 'progressive' on matters such as benefits. I certainly don't get worked up about them like others seem to on here. A solid safety net is a hallmark of a civilised society and they also provide a wider social..errr....benefit to society, in terms of law and order, for example, but I find the suggestion of a figure of 0.5% fraud within the system to be completely and utterly unbelievable.

I say this, not because of a view I've formed of benefit claimants, but rather my experience of human beings more generally. To suggest such a figure fails to appreciate people's capacity for warping the line between honesty and dishonesty in their own mind.

What percentage of middle mangers fiddle their expenses from time to time ? I don't know the answer, but I bet it's significantly more than 0.5%.

 

[mackenzie]

I can't put into words the fear I have regarding the Public Service over the next 5 years. This lot were reined in by the Lib Dems but now they have carte blanche.

You can blame the dumb ass lib dem voters who deserted them because they couldn't comprehend how a coalition works

I can honestly say I feel sick about how Lib Dems deserted the party.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I can't put into words the fear I have regarding the Public Service over the next 5 years. This lot were reined in by the Lib Dems but now they have carte blanche.

You can blame the dumb ass lib dem voters who deserted them because they couldn't comprehend how a coalition works

I can honestly say I feel sick about how Lib Dems deserted the party.

Me too. Fucking shameful.

 

[Damocles]

but I find the suggestion of a figure of 0.5% fraud within the system to be completely and utterly unbelievable.

What possible knowledge could you have on this as believable or unbelievable outside the well trusted sources of "it's common sense!" and "don't look right to me mate"?

 

[TangerineSteve17]

I'm pretty 'progressive' on matters such as benefits. I certainly don't get worked up about them like others seem to on here. A solid safety net is a hallmark of a civilised society and they also provide a wider social..errr....benefit to society, in terms of law and order, for example, but I find the suggestion of a figure of 0.5% fraud within the system to be completely and utterly unbelievable.

I say this, not because of a view I've formed of benefit claimants, but rather my experience of human beings more generally. To suggest such a figure fails to appreciate people's capacity for warping the line between honesty and dishonesty in their own mind.

What percentage of middle mangers fiddle their expenses from time to time ? I don't know the answer, but I bet it's significantly more than 0.5%.

I would agree with that, I wouldn't like to put an actual number on it, but in my experience of people in general, I would say the 'get what you can out of them' motto to be pretty prevailing.. just like a capitalists mindset I suppose.

 

[Damocles]

I'm not dodging the issue at all, or the specificity of it, whatever that means,

If you read my posts YOU'll see I explained why I think fairness for absolutely everyone is something we are never going to get from the clumsy hand of government.

Anyone who expects it is naïve, young or both.

That's not an argument, it's a cliche; something you often get confused about.

The point that I was responding to, was when you implied that a young disabled lad is basically shit out of luck because of mistakes of the past. And more the acceptance of this as something that's perfectly normal.

This would be akin to calling you a colonial slave driving racist and saying that it's perfectly fine that people treat you like this

I think you are getting a bit overexcited.

People generally do when I point out how massively full of shit they are. Sort of a bit of a trademark actually.

 

[urmston]

That's not an argument, it's a cliche; something you often get confused about.

The point that I was responding to, was when you implied that a young disabled lad is basically shit out of luck because of mistakes of the past. And more the acceptance of this as something that's perfectly normal.

This would be akin to calling you a colonial slave driving racist and saying that it's perfectly fine that people treat you like this

I think you are getting a bit overexcited.

People generally do when I point out how massively full of shit they are. Sort of a bit of a trademark actually.

Really?

 

[Chancy Termites]

but I find the suggestion of a figure of 0.5% fraud within the system to be completely and utterly unbelievable.

What possible knowledge could you have on this as believable or unbelievable outside the well trusted sources of "it's common sense!" and "don't look right to me mate"?

Are you not even remotely sceptical of figures on the level of fraud published by the organisation responsible for minimising that fraud?