The Post General Election Thread

[malg]

^^^if that's true, I'd be straight on the phone to the school -that teacher needs fucking right off.

As for public sector for employees and wage increases. The rank and file may not be getting them, but by fuck those further up the chain are raking in ridiculous wages. Someone needs to look at that, but I won't be holding my breath. However, the normal day to day staff aren't exactly high earners, they earn enough to get by, but just that. Oh, and as for strikes, please don't believe all the shite you read in the papers. NHS staff did vote for strikes, but it was all tempered by what you done for a living. Nurses and doctors done their job, but didn't do overtime - hardly holding the country to ransom. When the ambulance crews went on strike, they agreed to still go to urgent calls, so what happened? Yep, the cunts who manage them just upgraded most calls to urgent - and the crews turned up. Again, hardly putting lives at risk.

Public sector employees are easy targets for the press, and the government, but for the love of God don't believe everything you read. That teacher is still a **** though.

You are right in one thing though, a lot of NHS employees are disheartened by yesterday's result. I think they believe the privatisation myth (they don't really understand the Labour PFI fraud).

 

[worsleyweb]

This talk of savage public sector cuts is dramatic at best. Of the 12 billion - 40 percent will come from tax evasion, significant amounts from housing benefit reform. How many under 25s do you know are able to buy a house? And yet the single mum from Rochdale can have 3 kids by 23 and get a 3 bedroom council house. That option in life has to be eradicated. It is unfair on working people for that type of thing to be happening. Working people have to make choices like living with parents until mid twenties, renting, house sharing, delaying having children and paying there way. We have to still somehow provide the safety net for genuine cases but the safety net is too full. Even if you do not like it - a lot of this is due to uncontrolled immigration and millions of people especially in London getting a ridiculous amount of"free money" I will happily debate this with Damocles, ducado, pb or anyone in a civil manner. I maintain my stance in my post the other day (where ducado called me idiotic) that the Labour Party now largely represent public sector workers, those on benefits, immigrants and people like my dad who is a dinosaur Union man. The plasterer, bricklayer, white collar man is best off voting Tory. In work yesterday the vast majority of professionals had voted Tory and we're of exactly the same opinion. In fact someone said these people on the extreme left who want doctors to earn the same as shelf stackers should be shot! ( I am not going that far!!!) My mrs in the public sector said very much the opposite and that the mood was down. This supports my opinion. There were literally thousanfs of people in the public sector who contributed nothing for years and years. Quite rightly they have been streamlined. At the peak of the recession they had the audacity to talk about strikes when they got offered a one percent pay rise. Meanwhile the bricklayer has seen his pay halfed in that time and that is even if he was in work.

This utter nonsense about stripping the public sector a la thatcher and having to spend more to rebuild it is quite simply that.

Harsh decisions have to be made to make people realise if you want to get on in this country you have to work hard. Cameron says it repeatedly and it seems fair to me.

Ps my kids came home last night and the ten year old had been told by her teacher that it was a sad day as cameron had got in and was going to close down the nhs!!!!

Looking forward to parents evening.

I agree with this, but one thing I can't get my head around is what can be done about that 3 child single mother living in a free house on handouts? It's all good saying it, but how can that family's benefits be cut without forcing them onto the street?

Maybe just stop all new cases!? And leave her where she is or at least give her food for thought that she can't afford a 4th kid as she won't get child benefit for it. It's all about changing the culture.

 

[Johnsonontheleft]

This talk of savage public sector cuts is dramatic at best. Of the 12 billion - 40 percent will come from tax evasion, significant amounts from housing benefit reform. How many under 25s do you know are able to buy a house? And yet the single mum from Rochdale can have 3 kids by 23 and get a 3 bedroom council house. That option in life has to be eradicated. It is unfair on working people for that type of thing to be happening. Working people have to make choices like living with parents until mid twenties, renting, house sharing, delaying having children and paying there way. We have to still somehow provide the safety net for genuine cases but the safety net is too full. Even if you do not like it - a lot of this is due to uncontrolled immigration and millions of people especially in London getting a ridiculous amount of"free money" I will happily debate this with Damocles, ducado, pb or anyone in a civil manner. I maintain my stance in my post the other day (where ducado called me idiotic) that the Labour Party now largely represent public sector workers, those on benefits, immigrants and people like my dad who is a dinosaur Union man. The plasterer, bricklayer, white collar man is best off voting Tory. In work yesterday the vast majority of professionals had voted Tory and we're of exactly the same opinion. In fact someone said these people on the extreme left who want doctors to earn the same as shelf stackers should be shot! ( I am not going that far!!!) My mrs in the public sector said very much the opposite and that the mood was down. This supports my opinion. There were literally thousanfs of people in the public sector who contributed nothing for years and years. Quite rightly they have been streamlined. At the peak of the recession they had the audacity to talk about strikes when they got offered a one percent pay rise. Meanwhile the bricklayer has seen his pay halfed in that time and that is even if he was in work.

This utter nonsense about stripping the public sector a la thatcher and having to spend more to rebuild it is quite simply that.

Harsh decisions have to be made to make people realise if you want to get on in this country you have to work hard. Cameron says it repeatedly and it seems fair to me.

Ps my kids came home last night and the ten year old had been told by her teacher that it was a sad day as cameron had got in and was going to close down the nhs!!!!

Looking forward to parents evening.

Absolutely spot on and one of the best posts I've read on this forum.

By the way you need to go straight to the head about that teacher, they want sacking.

 

[SWP's back]

The fuck are you on with your bleeding heart?

So at the minute it's the English being shafted and that's fine eh?

The scots want financial autonomy. Cameron looks set to give it them. They will be able to set and raise their own taxes as they wanted.

Everyone's a winner.

Including you, as it will give you something else to handwring and moan about no doubt.

*sigh*

I don't see 'English' or 'Scot' or any of that shite, just people.

You play your game I'll play mine.

Spot on! Anyone who thinks someone's interests are determined purely by their race or nationality misses the point of humanity. the idea that any economic policy is in all the interests of England or Scotland is utterly farcical. As with everything any policy will be in the interests of some north and south of the border and not in others.

Also the talk of English and scots is made even more farcical when you actually think how many people in both countries are not English or scots or indeed are scots in England or English in Scotland.

Keep seeing people for who they are.......

Once again you totally misunderstand the point.

The Scots want financial autonomy. They want to be able to decide their own levels of income tax and corporation tax. They want to be able to decide how much they use for public spending. They will now get that. It will save the English a few quid.

It's kind of an important point, your post was literally just words without any meaning.

I am at a loss as to how you can post so much and miss the point each and every time.

 

[Ducado]

And this, everyone, is why the Tories won. They managed to convince economically illiterate people that the finances of a country are in any way similar to the finances of a household (even though the main reason to stay out of the Euro is to control their own money supply, i.e. print their own money when needed for their own economy!)

And how convenient that the solution to this problem just happens to be what the Tories like to do whenever they get in government anyway, which is to cut public services to fund tax cuts for the rich and corporations, and sell off public assets to their rich friends. Except that they were proven so wrong in the first few years of their government, when the economy flatlined, that even they had to concede defeat and put down the knife to help the economic recovery.

I expect a similar thing (this) time. Loads of "necessary" cuts in the first few years, followed by enough government investment to create an upturn in the economy just before the next election, confirming that the cuts were indeed necessary and we're now seeing the fruits of their tough decisions.

It was utter bullshit this time, and it'll be utter bullshit next time. Oh shit, we really need to reduce the debt in this time of historically low interest rates. The government are like someone who sells their house to pay of a debt to the Student Loan Company rather than just waiting until they earn enough money.

I'm with I'm with Stupid!

This is the time to be refinancing the country by floating more long term debt, retiring older more expensive debt, and fixing basic infrastructure on the cheap (cheap money, cheap labor, and cheap and easy politics!). In a global environment, this will not have the usual negative effect of driving inflation, as DEflation is the more pressing global concern.

Two great posts.

I've not yet heard a good explanation of how taking money out of the economy is going to stimulate growth and create a surplus. It didn't work in 2010-2012, as Britain found out. It killed growth in the economy and caused the doule dip. The risk is that this will happen again, especially with the added uncertainty of the EU referendum. Inward investment is going to dry up over the next two years. There is surplus capacity in almost all of Europe and there are Governments who are prepared to invest in infrastructure to support business. These destinations will look more and more attractive to external (to the EU) businesses.

A former Social Democrat leader in Sweden (Juholt) asked an interesting question: How could the economies in the 1900-20s afford to build such large scale public infrastructure but we can't today when the ecomomy was so much smaller then and so much poorer.

Economics has undergone a huge reformation over recent years. It has become a genuine science, able to use mega data analysis and huge computing power to see what has actually happened in economies, rahter relying on the postulations from "gurus" that have no base in fact. Economics has changed from alchemy to chemistry, from astrology to anstronomy, and the message is clear - economic equality with small differences in the wealth gap promote and protect growth, inequality and increasing wealth differences stifle growth and cause collapse. This is why the Tories have only ever been able to offer boom-and-bust.

"Austerity", and the non-sensical comparisons to running a small business or household economics, are simply an excuse for cuts in the public sector and increase the flow of money via the trickle-up effect.

Two good and interesting posts

 

[worsleyweb]

I'm with I'm with Stupid!

This is the time to be refinancing the country by floating more long term debt, retiring older more expensive debt, and fixing basic infrastructure on the cheap (cheap money, cheap labor, and cheap and easy politics!). In a global environment, this will not have the usual negative effect of driving inflation, as DEflation is the more pressing global concern.

Two great posts.

I've not yet heard a good explanation of how taking money out of the economy is going to stimulate growth and create a surplus. It didn't work in 2010-2012, as Britain found out. It killed growth in the economy and caused the doule dip. The risk is that this will happen again, especially with the added uncertainty of the EU referendum. Inward investment is going to dry up over the next two years. There is surplus capacity in almost all of Europe and there are Governments who are prepared to invest in infrastructure to support business. These destinations will look more and more attractive to external (to the EU) businesses.

A former Social Democrat leader in Sweden (Juholt) asked an interesting question: How could the economies in the 1900-20s afford to build such large scale public infrastructure but we can't today when the ecomomy was so much smaller then and so much poorer.

Economics has undergone a huge reformation over recent years. It has become a genuine science, able to use mega data analysis and huge computing power to see what has actually happened in economies, rahter relying on the postulations from "gurus" that have no base in fact. Economics has changed from alchemy to chemistry, from astrology to anstronomy, and the message is clear - economic equality with small differences in the wealth gap promote and protect growth, inequality and increasing wealth differences stifle growth and cause collapse. This is why the Tories have only ever been able to offer boom-and-bust.

"Austerity", and the non-sensical comparisons to running a small business or household economics, are simply an excuse for cuts in the public sector and increase the flow of money via the trickle-up effect.

Two good and interesting posts

Good because they agree with you? Can you please comment on mine? Seriously - I am not on the wind up?

 

[True_Blue69]

This talk of savage public sector cuts is dramatic at best. Of the 12 billion - 40 percent will come from tax evasion, significant amounts from housing benefit reform. How many under 25s do you know are able to buy a house? And yet the single mum from Rochdale can have 3 kids by 23 and get a 3 bedroom council house. That option in life has to be eradicated. It is unfair on working people for that type of thing to be happening. Working people have to make choices like living with parents until mid twenties, renting, house sharing, delaying having children and paying there way. We have to still somehow provide the safety net for genuine cases but the safety net is too full. Even if you do not like it - a lot of this is due to uncontrolled immigration and millions of people especially in London getting a ridiculous amount of"free money" I will happily debate this with Damocles, ducado, pb or anyone in a civil manner. I maintain my stance in my post the other day (where ducado called me idiotic) that the Labour Party now largely represent public sector workers, those on benefits, immigrants and people like my dad who is a dinosaur Union man. The plasterer, bricklayer, white collar man is best off voting Tory. In work yesterday the vast majority of professionals had voted Tory and we're of exactly the same opinion. In fact someone said these people on the extreme left who want doctors to earn the same as shelf stackers should be shot! ( I am not going that far!!!) My mrs in the public sector said very much the opposite and that the mood was down. This supports my opinion. There were literally thousanfs of people in the public sector who contributed nothing for years and years. Quite rightly they have been streamlined. At the peak of the recession they had the audacity to talk about strikes when they got offered a one percent pay rise. Meanwhile the bricklayer has seen his pay halfed in that time and that is even if he was in work.

This utter nonsense about stripping the public sector a la thatcher and having to spend more to rebuild it is quite simply that.

Harsh decisions have to be made to make people realise if you want to get on in this country you have to work hard. Cameron says it repeatedly and it seems fair to me.

Ps my kids came home last night and the ten year old had been told by her teacher that it was a sad day as cameron had got in and was going to close down the nhs!!!!

Looking forward to parents evening.

I agree with this, but one thing I can't get my head around is what can be done about that 3 child single mother living in a free house on handouts? It's all good saying it, but how can that family's benefits be cut without forcing them onto the street?

Maybe just stop all new cases!? And leave her where she is or at least give her food for thought that she can't afford a 4th kid as she won't get child benefit for it. It's all about changing the culture.

Unfortunately chemical castration is not allowed so I'd say it's going to difficult stopping people from breeding. Surely even the harshest person can't want to see kids, who through no fault of their own, being made to have a shit childhood just because their parents are scroungers. I think everyone agrees in principal, but in practise its nigh on impossible to implement.

It's also worth pointing out that the amount that these scroungers cost the country is tiny in the grand scheme of things.

 

[EalingBlue2]

This talk of savage public sector cuts is dramatic at best. Of the 12 billion - 40 percent will come from tax evasion, significant amounts from housing benefit reform. How many under 25s do you know are able to buy a house? And yet the single mum from Rochdale can have 3 kids by 23 and get a 3 bedroom council house. That option in life has to be eradicated. It is unfair on working people for that type of thing to be happening. Working people have to make choices like living with parents until mid twenties, renting, house sharing, delaying having children and paying there way. We have to still somehow provide the safety net for genuine cases but the safety net is too full. Even if you do not like it - a lot of this is due to uncontrolled immigration and millions of people especially in London getting a ridiculous amount of"free money" I will happily debate this with Damocles, ducado, pb or anyone in a civil manner. I maintain my stance in my post the other day (where ducado called me idiotic) that the Labour Party now largely represent public sector workers, those on benefits, immigrants and people like my dad who is a dinosaur Union man. The plasterer, bricklayer, white collar man is best off voting Tory. In work yesterday the vast majority of professionals had voted Tory and we're of exactly the same opinion. In fact someone said these people on the extreme left who want doctors to earn the same as shelf stackers should be shot! ( I am not going that far!!!) My mrs in the public sector said very much the opposite and that the mood was down. This supports my opinion. There were literally thousanfs of people in the public sector who contributed nothing for years and years. Quite rightly they have been streamlined. At the peak of the recession they had the audacity to talk about strikes when they got offered a one percent pay rise. Meanwhile the bricklayer has seen his pay halfed in that time and that is even if he was in work.

This utter nonsense about stripping the public sector a la thatcher and having to spend more to rebuild it is quite simply that.

Harsh decisions have to be made to make people realise if you want to get on in this country you have to work hard. Cameron says it repeatedly and it seems fair to me.

Ps my kids came home last night and the ten year old had been told by her teacher that it was a sad day as cameron had got in and was going to close down the nhs!!!!

Looking forward to parents evening.

I agree with this, but one thing I can't get my head around is what can be done about that 3 child single mother living in a free house on handouts? It's all good saying it, but how can that family's benefits be cut without forcing them onto the street?

Maybe just stop all new cases!? And leave her where she is or at least give her food for thought that she can't afford a 4th kid as she won't get child benefit for it. It's all about changing the culture.

So could you live I. A country with a baby or toddler living on the streets? I assume not so do we go back to Victorian work houses?

I still don't see what sort of civilised society can punish children for the sins of their parents?

 

[Ducado]

Two great posts.

I've not yet heard a good explanation of how taking money out of the economy is going to stimulate growth and create a surplus. It didn't work in 2010-2012, as Britain found out. It killed growth in the economy and caused the doule dip. The risk is that this will happen again, especially with the added uncertainty of the EU referendum. Inward investment is going to dry up over the next two years. There is surplus capacity in almost all of Europe and there are Governments who are prepared to invest in infrastructure to support business. These destinations will look more and more attractive to external (to the EU) businesses.

A former Social Democrat leader in Sweden (Juholt) asked an interesting question: How could the economies in the 1900-20s afford to build such large scale public infrastructure but we can't today when the ecomomy was so much smaller then and so much poorer.

Economics has undergone a huge reformation over recent years. It has become a genuine science, able to use mega data analysis and huge computing power to see what has actually happened in economies, rahter relying on the postulations from "gurus" that have no base in fact. Economics has changed from alchemy to chemistry, from astrology to anstronomy, and the message is clear - economic equality with small differences in the wealth gap promote and protect growth, inequality and increasing wealth differences stifle growth and cause collapse. This is why the Tories have only ever been able to offer boom-and-bust.

"Austerity", and the non-sensical comparisons to running a small business or household economics, are simply an excuse for cuts in the public sector and increase the flow of money via the trickle-up effect.

Two good and interesting posts

Good because they agree with you? Can you please comment on mine? Seriously - I am not on the wind up?

They are not really worthy of comment, it's like some perverse politics of envy with you, so if you don't mind I would rather not

 

[EalingBlue2]

This talk of savage public sector cuts is dramatic at best. Of the 12 billion - 40 percent will come from tax evasion, significant amounts from housing benefit reform. How many under 25s do you know are able to buy a house? And yet the single mum from Rochdale can have 3 kids by 23 and get a 3 bedroom council house. That option in life has to be eradicated. It is unfair on working people for that type of thing to be happening. Working people have to make choices like living with parents until mid twenties, renting, house sharing, delaying having children and paying there way. We have to still somehow provide the safety net for genuine cases but the safety net is too full. Even if you do not like it - a lot of this is due to uncontrolled immigration and millions of people especially in London getting a ridiculous amount of"free money" I will happily debate this with Damocles, ducado, pb or anyone in a civil manner. I maintain my stance in my post the other day (where ducado called me idiotic) that the Labour Party now largely represent public sector workers, those on benefits, immigrants and people like my dad who is a dinosaur Union man. The plasterer, bricklayer, white collar man is best off voting Tory. In work yesterday the vast majority of professionals had voted Tory and we're of exactly the same opinion. In fact someone said these people on the extreme left who want doctors to earn the same as shelf stackers should be shot! ( I am not going that far!!!) My mrs in the public sector said very much the opposite and that the mood was down. This supports my opinion. There were literally thousanfs of people in the public sector who contributed nothing for years and years. Quite rightly they have been streamlined. At the peak of the recession they had the audacity to talk about strikes when they got offered a one percent pay rise. Meanwhile the bricklayer has seen his pay halfed in that time and that is even if he was in work.

This utter nonsense about stripping the public sector a la thatcher and having to spend more to rebuild it is quite simply that.

Harsh decisions have to be made to make people realise if you want to get on in this country you have to work hard. Cameron says it repeatedly and it seems fair to me.

Ps my kids came home last night and the ten year old had been told by her teacher that it was a sad day as cameron had got in and was going to close down the nhs!!!!

Looking forward to parents evening.

I agree with this, but one thing I can't get my head around is what can be done about that 3 child single mother living in a free house on handouts? It's all good saying it, but how can that family's benefits be cut without forcing them onto the street?

Maybe just stop all new cases!? And leave her where she is or at least give her food for thought that she can't afford a 4th kid as she won't get child benefit for it. It's all about changing the culture.

So could you live In A country with a baby or toddler living on the streets? I assume not, so how would you ensure the children are not hungry or disadvantaged or punished for your judgement on the parents.

I still don't see what sort of civilised society can punish children for the sins of their parents?