The Post General Election Thread

[SWP's back]

Don't you think though that experience of life should count?

Even my boss, a Conservative voter of many years, was incredulous this morning at this news and pretty much said the same thing even though it was a Labour MP that lost their seat.

Even now, nearly 24 hours later, I'm struggling to see how a 20 year old has got into power.

Because when the candidates were picked, no one had the remotest notion of what would transpire. The SNP bosses will have thought it was good experience for her and that she'd be hammered by Alexander.

The voters, in the whole, wouldn't have had a clue about her age and would have ticked the box stating SNP even if the name there was Edward Longshanks.

 

[Lucky13]

It's time for people to accept that we are a conservative Country, Call me Dave played the Election to perfection when he hammered home the traditional core Conservative beliefs , work , pay your own way, low taxation and help for those in genuine need.

Those core beliefs are what this Country is based on.

 

[SWP's back]

1. They are not 'toffs'.
2. There is no fucking money. If you suddenly lose your job, do you continue to shop at Waitrose? No you do fucking not you go to Lidl. So yes there will be cuts which is bad news if you are a benefit scrounger but people who genuinely need help, like disability benefit, will still be helped.

One may ask why after 5 years of a mainly Tory Government which apparently is economically rational and creates businesses and jobs then why this is so.

One may also ask, not unreasonably, where exactly £12bn of welfare cuts are going to come from. If JOTL thinks only "benefit scroungers", as he calls them, will suffer then he is even more deluded than I thought. And that is saying something.

 

[TangerineSteve17]

I've just had a thought. I listened to Dave earlier on speaking about Scotland. He said something about giving them full fiscal responsibility.

If that's the case, he will take away the Barnett Formula which would play well with England but not the Scots.

When it comes to the next election, Labour wouldn't be able to offer to bring it back (and therebye get their seats back) because no English voter would accept it.

Fucking genius and it accounts for over £5 billion of the £12 billion cuts he promised.


As I said, genius!!

If true you're delighting in the misery of others? great.

Misery of others? How about even distribution of central taxes and fiscal autonomy for those lovely Scots.

For someone to get ahead, someone else has to fall behind. That is what your great capitalism is based on. Still, as long as it's the lovely Scots getting shafted then who cares.

 

[SWP's back]

If true you're delighting in the misery of others? great.

Misery of others? How about even distribution of central taxes and fiscal autonomy for those lovely Scots.

For someone to get ahead, someone else has to fall behind. That is what your great capitalism is based on. Still, as long as it's the lovely Scots getting shafted then who cares.

The fuck are you on with your bleeding heart?

So at the minute it's the English being shafted and that's fine eh?

The scots want financial autonomy. Cameron looks set to give it them. They will be able to set and raise their own taxes as they wanted.

Everyone's a winner.

Including you, as it will give you something else to handwring and moan about no doubt.

 

[TangerineSteve17]

Misery of others? How about even distribution of central taxes and fiscal autonomy for those lovely Scots.

For someone to get ahead, someone else has to fall behind. That is what your great capitalism is based on. Still, as long as it's the lovely Scots getting shafted then who cares.

The fuck are you on with your bleeding heart?

So at the minute it's the English being shafted and that's fine eh?

The scots want financial autonomy. Cameron looks set to give it them. They will be able to set and raise their own taxes as they wanted.

Everyone's a winner.

Including you, as it will give you something else to handwring and moan about no doubt.

*sigh*

I don't see 'English' or 'Scot' or any of that shite, just people.

You play your game I'll play mine.

 

[Lucky13]

For someone to get ahead, someone else has to fall behind. That is what your great capitalism is based on. Still, as long as it's the lovely Scots getting shafted then who cares.

The fuck are you on with your bleeding heart?

So at the minute it's the English being shafted and that's fine eh?

The scots want financial autonomy. Cameron looks set to give it them. They will be able to set and raise their own taxes as they wanted.

Everyone's a winner.

Including you, as it will give you something else to handwring and moan about no doubt.

*sigh*

I don't see 'English' or 'Scot' or any of that shite, just people.

You play your game I'll play mine.

The Scots say otherwise , good luck with your Utopia.

 

[SWP's back]

For someone to get ahead, someone else has to fall behind. That is what your great capitalism is based on. Still, as long as it's the lovely Scots getting shafted then who cares.

The fuck are you on with your bleeding heart?

So at the minute it's the English being shafted and that's fine eh?

The scots want financial autonomy. Cameron looks set to give it them. They will be able to set and raise their own taxes as they wanted.

Everyone's a winner.

Including you, as it will give you something else to handwring and moan about no doubt.

*sigh*

I don't see 'English' or 'Scot' or any of that shite, just people.

You play your game I'll play mine.

Sign indeed. You really don't get it do you.

Whether you can see scots or English or French or Lithuanian or 'just people' (there's a sickly useless platitude) matters not. There are geopolitical boundaries and for people running the place, they are kind of important. Scotland wants to turn itself into a socialist utopia with huge rates of tax for high earners and high public spending. Giving them financial autonomy would enable them to attempt to put that into action. How is that a bad thing? It's called self determinism. It would also save the English a bob or two.

Your game is simply handwringing whilst not thinking any notion through, so long as you appear right on brother.

 

[TangerineSteve17]

The fuck are you on with your bleeding heart?

So at the minute it's the English being shafted and that's fine eh?

The scots want financial autonomy. Cameron looks set to give it them. They will be able to set and raise their own taxes as they wanted.

Everyone's a winner.

Including you, as it will give you something else to handwring and moan about no doubt.

*sigh*

I don't see 'English' or 'Scot' or any of that shite, just people.

You play your game I'll play mine.

The Scots say otherwise , good luck with your Utopia.

Cheers :) I can't look at things any other way, I'd go utterly potty if I did. Just cos we live in a dog eat dog world doesn't mean we have to subscribe to it. But, whatever makes you feel good.

 

[EalingBlue2]

It's time for people to accept that we are a conservative Country, Call me Dave played the Election to perfection when he hammered home the traditional core Conservative beliefs , work , pay your own way, low taxation and help for those in genuine need.

Those core beliefs are what this Country is based on.

I don't think that is what this election or indeed all elections since the 70's show. What it shows is Britain is a moderate country and whoever wins the centre, wins the election and that is inevitably the candidate who best represents moderate people in the country. Cameron is by far the least conservative leader on many issues social and economic the Tories have had for a long time and because of that he won the centre, the same as Blair did and even Thatcher did when labour lurched left under Foot. Labour got up when Blair moved to the centre and won the centre. When brown and even more so milliband moved to the left they lost.

The right wing won't like the analysis they will think that going more to the right would mean a bigger win, the real left won't like it as they will think labour lost because they aren't left enough.

Overall for every election in my lifetime the candidate who best represented the centre won. It is a big lesson to the republicans in the U.S. As they fight in the primaries to appeal to the tea party and be as right wing as possible.

Britain is and nearly always has been a moderate country and clearly the feeling of the electorate was that Cameron was more centerist than Red Ed - I don't know enough to say if that perception is correct.