The Post General Election Thread

[The perfect fumble]

This sums up what a lot on the left are feeling....

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...rting-snp-political-earthquake-scotland-video

 

[Ban-jani]

This sums up what a lot on the left are feeling....

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...rting-snp-political-earthquake-scotland-video

Would someone mind summarising very generally for those of us who cannot access
videos.

Thanks.

 

[SWP's back]

This sums up what a lot on the left are feeling....

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...rting-snp-political-earthquake-scotland-video

Would someone mind summarising very generally for those of us who cannot access
videos.

Thanks.

In the final video of his Election 2015 series, John Harris experiences election night mayhem in Glasgow, as the SNP wins seat after seat and Labour effectively undergoes total wipe-out. Voters talk about their mood of hope, Nicola Sturgeon tells him about her message for lefties in England, and he ends up in nearby Coatbridge, the constituency snatched from Labour on a 36% swing. Finally, he sets off home with a new mission: in this darkest of moments for England, can he find some political hope of his own?

 

[whp.blue]

If the NHS is so wonderful why don't other countries copy it?

I see no advantage in guaranteeing NHS staff all our healthcare.

Monopolies work well for service providers, but never for the customer.

If the NHS is so wonderful why don't other countries copy it?

There isn't the poltical will, there's a reason the Great Depression and the 2nd World War gave birth to the NHS.

As for....

Monopolies work well for service providers, but never for the customer

The NHS is not a monopoly, you can go private. What I think you're saying is why should we fund the NHS through general taxation rather than social health insurance.

Even those with private insurance use the NHS. You just have to look at A&E departments who have professional footballers admitted during games, and during the wee small hours when private health care is asleep. Oh, and there are plenty of actors and actresses who are worth a fair few quid who use the NHS as well.

That is because even with private health care you cannot opt out of the nhs so people with private health care pay to have the option of which to use. I also sometimes opt to use the NHS but I always pay towards the NHS

 

[The perfect fumble]

If the NHS is so wonderful why don't other countries copy it?

I see no advantage in guaranteeing NHS staff all our healthcare.

Monopolies work well for service providers, but never for the customer.

If the NHS is so wonderful why don't other countries copy it?

There isn't the poltical will, there's a reason the Great Depression and the 2nd World War gave birth to the NHS.

As for....

Monopolies work well for service providers, but never for the customer

The NHS is not a monopoly, you can go private. What I think you're saying is why should we fund the NHS through general taxation rather than social health insurance.

Even those with private insurance use the NHS. You just have to look at A&E departments who have professional footballers admitted during games, and during the wee small hours when private health care is asleep. Oh, and there are plenty of actors and actresses who are worth a fair few quid who use the NHS as well.

Not sure what you and urmston are advocating, privately run NHS hospitals? mandatory universal health insurance? What?

Either way, public ownership of the NHS is not just a mechanical arrangement, it is a political covenant between the State and the people, the one untouchable in politics since the 2nd World War, that access to good healthcare is a right of all citizens, paid for through general taxation and free of the vagaries of the market and ones ability to pay.

 

[The perfect fumble]

This sums up what a lot on the left are feeling....

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...rting-snp-political-earthquake-scotland-video

Would someone mind summarising very generally for those of us who cannot access
videos.

Thanks.

In the final video of his Election 2015 series, John Harris experiences election night mayhem in Glasgow, as the SNP wins seat after seat and Labour effectively undergoes total wipe-out. Voters talk about their mood of hope, Nicola Sturgeon tells him about her message for lefties in England, and he ends up in nearby Coatbridge, the constituency snatched from Labour on a 36% swing. Finally, he sets off home with a new mission: in this darkest of moments for England, can he find some political hope of his own?

Here it is on Youtube....

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1kkjPfZDZw[/video]

 

[Ban-jani]

This sums up what a lot on the left are feeling....

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...rting-snp-political-earthquake-scotland-video

Would someone mind summarising very generally for those of us who cannot access
videos.

Thanks.

In the final video of his Election 2015 series, John Harris experiences election night mayhem in Glasgow, as the SNP wins seat after seat and Labour effectively undergoes total wipe-out. Voters talk about their mood of hope, Nicola Sturgeon tells him about her message for lefties in England, and he ends up in nearby Coatbridge, the constituency snatched from Labour on a 36% swing. Finally, he sets off home with a new mission: in this darkest of moments for England, can he find some political hope of his own?

Thanks mate, I presumed Sturgeon's message would be on there but oh well.

 

[foxy]

Christ, anybody seen the 20 year old SNP MP? She's looks and sounds like a 60 year old Glaswegian.

 

[Blue Maverick]

It's not rocket science you look at money you have if you can afford it, I'd love to have another child however my job and that of my wife dictate it cannot happen, the major factor is money and also the burden on our supportive families. If you haven't got the IQ to work it out frankly you shouldn't having kids anyway.

So you think poor planning or making a mistake is the same thing as a lack of intelligence?

See this is where I start to enjoy these types of debates because you do get to see the stripped down arguments and they expose their contempt. Your problem is that you think you are better than people because you have a bit of money and they don't. therefore they must be thick and/or lazy.

I can afford to have more kids and in fact the missus is currently pregnant. Obviously this means that I am better and smarter than you are, which means you should listen to my opinion and presume it correct.

At what point did I say if you have more money you are smarter? I said you look at what you have and you plan accordingly, if you plan poorly I'd say you are not as clever as you think regardless of how much you have, make a mistake, which we all do, there are choices and don't expect the state to bail you out all the time. I have contempt for the hundreds of scrotes I've seen who are now third generation scroungers, I have nothing but admiration for those who work 2 or 3 jobs and give everything for their kids, but that's the choices both have made. Both are in similar circumstances but one decides to do something about it.

 

[whp.blue]

Christ, anybody seen the 20 year old SNP MP? She's looks and sounds like a 60 year old Glaswegian.

I'm guessing you've never been up there then she is pretty much the norm