The Post General Election Thread

[Blue Hefner]

Beaker employed David Axelrod who helped Obama win his Election , he was paid £300k, he didn't pay tax on his earnings, what was it that Beaker said about tax avoiders?

Calling him Beaker every chance you get is as childish as it is tiresome

It's similar to Spuds, Dipperpool or any other silly names that are used in the General Forum - like I said, tiresome and childish

 

[TangerineSteve17]

The one thing, the most important thing is what about the kids, how do you propose they are fed and looked after and helped to become valuable members of society? I understand the feelings towards the parents but protecting kids always comes before punishing the parents in my books and I would rather some of my hard earned money goes to an undeserving parent than a deserving kid misses out on it.

I also love the assumption that there isn't waste equal to or more than the public sector in the private sector. Having worked for and with multi national companies for 20 years I can tell you there is every bit the waste in banks, restaurants, airlines, professional services etc that there is in schools, hospitals, police stations - often a lot more.

Totally agree you should not punish the kids and at no point have I said we should be taking money off people, but you could say in one years time you will not get any benefits for a new born third child. As for the IQ question I'm saying do you think its intelligent to keep having kids if you cannot support them? I just don't think you are intelligent if you are on your arse or close to it and then think hey I know let's have another mouth to feed, clothe and bring up, do you think that is fair on the child?

I think she'd loads of people rich and poor probably shouldn't have kids tbh. I hate seeing kids of rich career parents who are lucky to get an hour or two with them a week and are treated as a fashion accessory, I hate seeing kids who are emotionally neglected or abused, malnourished or anything. So yes should parents who can't look after kids properly have kids then in an ideal world perhaps they shouldnt. But once they do it is our duty as a civilised society to look after them ! So I think we need carrots not sticks. I also accept that no man can be a judge as to the acceptability of who can breed.

It may not be fair on the child, you are not wrong about that, but I wouldn't tackle that unfairness by being even more unfair!

Powerful post, I agree with it. There isn't a rational reason to have kids, but once they're squeezed out, a duty is generated. Doesn't matter whose kid it is. The important word is 'child'

Perhaps more education is needed.. to circumvent one's nature (if that's what it is) - the instinct to replicate, to have kids.

But as you say, people belong to themselves.. they make the decision and until kids simply can not be looked after, no moral obligation exists.

 

[Blue Maverick]

I think she'd loads of people rich and poor probably shouldn't have kids tbh. I hate seeing kids of rich career parents who are lucky to get an hour or two with them a week and are treated as a fashion accessory, I hate seeing kids who are emotionally neglected or abused, malnourished or anything. So yes should parents who can't look after kids properly have kids then in an ideal world perhaps they shouldnt. But once they do it is our duty as a civilised society to look after them ! So I think we need carrots not sticks. I also accept that no man can be a judge as to the acceptability of who can breed.

It may not be fair on the child, you are not wrong about that, but I wouldn't tackle that unfairness by being even more unfair!

Then as long as we keep giving them carrots it will never end, they know as a civil society we will not allow neglect (hopefully) and will just carry on, I haven't all the answers but I think putting that seed in place may I hope make them act a little more responsible otherwise we will just carry on and nothing will change and yes it's the kids who will suffer which no one wants.

I would prefer money went less in benefits and more in support, education etc and providing a lot more to kids outside and inside school. Much should be done to improve schooling and support in poor areas. For me education is the best tool to improve society and one of the most undervalued things in the world relative to its importance. By education I mean life education, practical education as Wel as pure academic education.

Totally agree, show them the life they could have compared to what they will have if they don't help themselves.

 

[foxy]

The loony left..

 

[EalingBlue2]

Then as long as we keep giving them carrots it will never end, they know as a civil society we will not allow neglect (hopefully) and will just carry on, I haven't all the answers but I think putting that seed in place may I hope make them act a little more responsible otherwise we will just carry on and nothing will change and yes it's the kids who will suffer which no one wants.

I would prefer money went less in benefits and more in support, education etc and providing a lot more to kids outside and inside school. Much should be done to improve schooling and support in poor areas. For me education is the best tool to improve society and one of the most undervalued things in the world relative to its importance. By education I mean life education, practical education as Wel as pure academic education.

Totally agree, show them the life they could have compared to what they will have if they don't help themselves.

yes and in life they will only learn that trough opportunities and role models and that is a carrot we need more of rather than the carrot of benefits. The trouble is it costs more and it is easier for politicians to attack benefits scroungers than to solve it. The left has the same thing with tax avoidance, 99% of avoidance is entirely legal, much of it is actually quite reasonable and is correct under the current rules. Instead of actually clubbing together to fix the issues which is hard they beat up a few multinationals.

Google or Apple are the beat up of people on the left looking for easy votes, benefits scroungers or are the beat up of the right. In Britain where left and right are close and where the push for votes was all that mattered I even saw the right beat up on the lefts victims and vice versa.

 

[EalingBlue2]

Then as long as we keep giving them carrots it will never end, they know as a civil society we will not allow neglect (hopefully) and will just carry on, I haven't all the answers but I think putting that seed in place may I hope make them act a little more responsible otherwise we will just carry on and nothing will change and yes it's the kids who will suffer which no one wants.

I would prefer money went less in benefits and more in support, education etc and providing a lot more to kids outside and inside school. Much should be done to improve schooling and support in poor areas. For me education is the best tool to improve society and one of the most undervalued things in the world relative to its importance. By education I mean life education, practical education as Wel as pure academic education.

Totally agree, show them the life they could have compared to what they will have if they don't help themselves.

yes and in life they will only learn that trough opportunities and role models and that is a carrot we need more of rather than the carrot of benefits. The trouble is it costs more and it is easier for politicians to attack benefits scroungers than to solve it. The left has the same thing with tax avoidance, 99% of avoidance is entirely legal, much of it is actually quite reasonable and is correct under the current rules. Instead of actually clubbing together to fix the issues which is hard they beat up a few multinationals.

Google or Apple are the beat up of people on the left looking for easy votes, benefits scroungers are the best up of the right. In Britain where left and right are close and where the push for votes was all that mattered I even saw the right beat up on the lefts victims and vice versa.

 

[Ducado]

That awks moment when the cleverest guy on the forum...

Yeah right, it was just me AND THE ENTIRE REST OF THE WORLD INCLUDING THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY who thought that. We're all idiots obviously.

Do you seriously not understand why cuts still have to be made?

Nobody is arguing that cuts have to be made. People are arguing where to make those cuts.

Tell you what, scrap HS2 for £8bn and scrap the Trident replacement for £3bn and add 1p onto the higher rate of income tax for £1bn.

£12bn without touching a single service.

exactly. right wing i may be but this is what i would do.

Most fair mind people would, people keep saying we can't spend what we have not got, so why spend 8 billion ( and it will be more than that) on Trident, if we can't afford the welfare state we can't afford Trident

 

[worsleyweb]

I 100 percent agree on wasting money on trident. Spend it on levelling the playing fields and connectivity if towns with no economic base and those that do have.

Trident will never be used.

 

[TangerineSteve17]

Yeah right, it was just me AND THE ENTIRE REST OF THE WORLD INCLUDING THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY who thought that. We're all idiots obviously.



Nobody is arguing that cuts have to be made. People are arguing where to make those cuts.

Tell you what, scrap HS2 for £8bn and scrap the Trident replacement for £3bn and add 1p onto the higher rate of income tax for £1bn.

£12bn without touching a single service.

exactly. right wing i may be but this is what i would do.

Most fair mind people would, people keep saying we can't spend what we have not got, so why spend 8 billion ( and it will be more than that) on Trident, if we can't afford the welfare state we can't afford Trident

Because if we get attacked, we can try dent the aggressor in retaliation.. cos we are really gonna fire nuclear missiles in the future.

It's all about the threat - can't we pretend to have submarines floating about with rockets? instead of paying for something that will never be used. Make the fuckers out of papier-mâché, bit of black paint.. who would know.

 

[worsleyweb]

exactly. right wing i may be but this is what i would do.

Most fair mind people would, people keep saying we can't spend what we have not got, so why spend 8 billion ( and it will be more than that) on Trident, if we can't afford the welfare state we can't afford Trident

Because if we get attacked, we can try dent the aggressor in retaliation.. cos we are really gonna fire nuclear missiles in the future.

It's all about the threat - can't we pretend to have submarines floating about with rockets? instead of paying for something that will never be used. Make the fuckers out of papier-mâché, bit of black paint.. who would know.

Paper mâché would eventually go soggy I guess?