The Rapture (Return of Christ) & Doomsday Predicted

[Damocles]

I certainly think it could happen by then. THese are the end times, brother, dictated in revelations. Man's turned his back on god

-- Sun Dec 05, 2010 10:55 am --

There aren't half some nutters out there!
I can't believe rapture believers are allowed to vote.

biggot.. ah crap i'm not suppose to judge... erm. person.

how foolish would you feel if there was a rapture and you were sent to hell though? and why do you feel the need to make those who believe in something they take for commonplace seem dumb?

Hell doesn't exist according to the Pope, and the Bible.

 

[BulgarianPride]

The thing with these Raptures and doomsday theories is that if humanity is to ever face an extinction event, people will claim god did it.

 

[mammutly]

“Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

“Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

Jesus said that it would occur in the lifetimes of those who lived at the same time as he did.
Bit overdue...

But Jesus still lives in the faith and actions of millions.

You have to look beyond the literal to interpret the message of Christ.

Jesus! He gave his last supper speech almost entirely in metaphor for Christs sake!

 

[Damocles]

But Jesus still lives in the faith and actions of millions.

You have to look beyond the literal to interpret the message of Christ.

Jesus! He gave his last supper speech almost entirely in metaphor for Christs sake!

So YOUR faith is better than other people's faith?

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[mancincali]

"how foolish would you feel if there was a rapture and you were sent to hell though? and why do you feel the need to make those who believe in something they take for commonplace seem dumb?"

why do you feel the need to make those who do not believe in something fear eternal incomprehensible torture?

just to show my viewpoint on what I believe could/will happen to someone who I don't want to see it happen to

 

[mammutly]

But Jesus still lives in the faith and actions of millions.

You have to look beyond the literal to interpret the message of Christ.

Jesus! He gave his last supper speech almost entirely in metaphor for Christs sake!

So YOUR faith is better than other people's faith?

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Not at all, Damocles.

But nor do I think communion wine is actually blood - it doesn't taste like it anyway.

 

[ElanJo]

Jesus said that it would occur in the lifetimes of those who lived at the same time as he did.
Bit overdue...

But Jesus still lives in the faith and actions of millions.

You have to look beyond the literal to interpret the message of Christ.

Jesus! He gave his last supper speech almost entirely in metaphor for Christs sake!

pmsl you're arguing the semantics of my description of the passage. You're not tackling what the Bible says.

-- Sun Dec 05, 2010 8:25 pm --

why do you feel the need to make those who do not believe in something fear eternal incomprehensible torture?

just to show my viewpoint on what I believe could/will happen to someone who I don't want to see it happen to

Why don't you want to see it happen to him/her?


edit:
So you're doing them a service by enlightening them, albeit in a shocking way, to the reality of their situation? Why is saying something along the lines of "you're dumb for believing in X" any different? In the end you think truth (or what you think is the truth - ie Hell) is more important than potentially causing offence, right?
With that said, if causing offence is the big no no the Christian's proselytisation of hell is far more offensive than someone saying "you're dumb for believing that" because of all the underlying premises that go with it (eg. that they're worthless, sinful, wicked, responsible for the death of 'the most perfect man that has ever lived' and how they deserve to be thrown into an everlasting state of torment and torture etc.)

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

The way I always saw it.

If some of the genuinely good people I know (people who have spent their lives helping others) are 'sent to hell' because they can't bring themselves to believe in something without proper evidence, then I'd quite willingly follow them into eternal damnation.

If heaven is some exclusive club for people who 'saw it coming' and everybody else was excluded, then I don't want to go to heaven. It seems a contradiction towards everything heaven is supposed to entail.

Either way, I don't believe in heaven and hell. I can't help but see it as 'wishful thinking' for people who can't stand the thought that when you die... you die.

 

[mammutly]

The way I always saw it.

If some of the genuinely good people I know (people who have spent their lives helping others) are 'sent to hell' because they can't bring themselves to believe in something without proper evidence, then I'd quite willingly follow them into eternal damnation.

If heaven is some exclusive club for people who 'saw it coming' and everybody else was excluded, then I don't want to go to heaven. It seems a contradiction towards everything heaven is supposed to entail.

Either way, I don't believe in heaven and hell. I can't help but see it as 'wishful thinking' for people who can't stand the thought that when you die... you die.

Here's a song for you, brother:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnBW-mHBNzo[/youtube]

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

The way I always saw it.

If some of the genuinely good people I know (people who have spent their lives helping others) are 'sent to hell' because they can't bring themselves to believe in something without proper evidence, then I'd quite willingly follow them into eternal damnation.

If heaven is some exclusive club for people who 'saw it coming' and everybody else was excluded, then I don't want to go to heaven. It seems a contradiction towards everything heaven is supposed to entail.

Either way, I don't believe in heaven and hell. I can't help but see it as 'wishful thinking' for people who can't stand the thought that when you die... you die.

Here's a song for you, brother:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnBW-mHBNzo[/youtube]

Haha :') beautiful. I've been converted through the majesty of music. Let's all go and give God a big hug, his arms are open and waiting.

 

[Damocles]

The way I always saw it.

If some of the genuinely good people I know (people who have spent their lives helping others) are 'sent to hell' because they can't bring themselves to believe in something without proper evidence, then I'd quite willingly follow them into eternal damnation.

If heaven is some exclusive club for people who 'saw it coming' and everybody else was excluded, then I don't want to go to heaven. It seems a contradiction towards everything heaven is supposed to entail.

Either way, I don't believe in heaven and hell. I can't help but see it as 'wishful thinking' for people who can't stand the thought that when you die... you die.

No, seriously; hell doesn't exist in Christianity, it's a complete myth and misunderstanding of scripture. There is no basis for it in the Bible, and even the Pope admits it.

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

The way I always saw it.

If some of the genuinely good people I know (people who have spent their lives helping others) are 'sent to hell' because they can't bring themselves to believe in something without proper evidence, then I'd quite willingly follow them into eternal damnation.

If heaven is some exclusive club for people who 'saw it coming' and everybody else was excluded, then I don't want to go to heaven. It seems a contradiction towards everything heaven is supposed to entail.

Either way, I don't believe in heaven and hell. I can't help but see it as 'wishful thinking' for people who can't stand the thought that when you die... you die.

No, seriously; hell doesn't exist in Christianity, it's a complete myth and misunderstanding of scripture. There is no basis for it in the Bible, and even the Pope admits it.

I don't claim to be an expert on theology, as such, I have no reason to believe you're wrong.

However, even if it isn't stated in the bible or has no basis in Christianity, it is a falsification that, I would assume, a very large percentage of Christians would claim to believe in. So does the fact that a lot of Christians believe in it not make it part of the faith? No, it probably doesn't. Although it does help to characterise some of the practitioners of the faith.

So, although it doesn't apply to Christianity in general, my opinion on hell, is a necessary debating point towards some Christian people's beliefs.

 

[Damocles]

No, seriously; hell doesn't exist in Christianity, it's a complete myth and misunderstanding of scripture. There is no basis for it in the Bible, and even the Pope admits it.

I don't claim to be an expert on theology, as such, I have no reason to believe you're wrong.

However, even if it isn't stated in the bible or has no basis in Christianity, it is a falsification that, I would assume, a very large percentage of Christians would claim to believe in. So does the fact that a lot of Christians believe in it not make it part of the faith? No, it probably doesn't. Although it does help to characterise some of the practitioners of the faith.

So, although it doesn't apply to Christianity in general, my opinion on hell, is a necessary debating point towards some Christian people's beliefs.

Certainly. I actually believe that the bigger issue here, is that most Christians do not actually know what their Holy Book contains.

I would like to think that many religious people had taken the time to read every major holy book, then decided to follow the religion that spoke to their experience of life. It's delusion, but it makes me feel better.

 

[jamiegrimble]

I certainly think it could happen by then. THese are the end times, brother, dictated in revelations. Man's turned his back on god
how foolish would you feel if there was a rapture and you were sent to hell though?

Hell doesn't exist according to the Pope, and the Bible.

Hell=Purgatory,Limbo is a catholic theory.Probably being rethought considering the Vatican stance now,in the light of new revelation. As far as I can remember there are 3 Greek words for Hell in the Good Book. Off the top of my head they are.
Gehenna= A Continual fire that burns. I think in olden days in Israel there was a dumping ground for the bodies of criminals that were considered to evil to bury among the population. So there was a kind of tip, where they, and the sick such as lepers were taken to be burned. This fire was always burning, apparently. Gehenna I think is the symbol of the lake of fire mentioned in Revelation.
Tartaroo= A dungeon or place of containment, where spirit beings or sinning angels are kept in chains, until judgement day. I think that’s in the book of Jude.
Hades= A kind of hole in the ground, where you would retrieve, let’s say a potato. But its of the earth.
Im no expert and am willing to be educated by a more knowledgeable person on the subject.Not sure if my spelling of the Greek words are correct either. What I wrote is how I remember, what I was taught from the Good Book.

 

[Damocles]

Hell doesn't exist according to the Pope, and the Bible.

Hell=Purgatory,Limbo is a catholic theory.Probably being rethought considering the Vatican stance now,in the light of new revelation. As far as I can remember there are 3 Greek words for Hell in the Good Book. Off the top of my head they are.
Gehenna= A Continual fire that burns. I think in olden days in Israel there was a dumping ground for the bodies of criminals that were considered to evil to bury among the population. So there was a kind of tip, where they, and the sick such as lepers were taken to be burned. This fire was always burning, apparently. Gehenna I think is the symbol of the lake of fire mentioned in Revelation.
Tartaroo= A dungeon or place of containment, where spirit beings or sinning angels are kept in chains, until judgement day. I think that’s in the book of Jude.
Hades= A kind of hole in the ground, where you would retrieve, let’s say a potato. But its of the earth.
Im no expert and am willing to be educated by a more knowledgeable person on the subject.Not sure if my spelling of the Greek words are correct either. What I wrote is how I remember, what I was taught from the Good Book.

Hades and Shoea literally mean grave. Not sure about Tartaroo, might have something to do with Tartarus which was a Greek dungeon.

Gehenna is a town.

 

[Fame Monster]

Does religion even need to be debated anymore?

 

[blumoonrisen]

Even though I'm a totally open minded individual I have to say... what a bunch of arse..
the frightening thing is even folk that are Undoubtedly intelligent are brainwashed by this religion malarkey

 

[mat]

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[ElanJo]

The way I always saw it.

If some of the genuinely good people I know (people who have spent their lives helping others) are 'sent to hell' because they can't bring themselves to believe in something without proper evidence, then I'd quite willingly follow them into eternal damnation.

If heaven is some exclusive club for people who 'saw it coming' and everybody else was excluded, then I don't want to go to heaven. It seems a contradiction towards everything heaven is supposed to entail.

Either way, I don't believe in heaven and hell. I can't help but see it as 'wishful thinking' for people who can't stand the thought that when you die... you die.

No, seriously; hell doesn't exist in Christianity, it's a complete myth and misunderstanding of scripture. There is no basis for it in the Bible, and even the Pope admits it.

You can find passages in the Bible that paint Gehenna/Hell in different ways. In some it's the residence of the devil, in others it's a place where you are alive and tormented, in others it's a place where your soul is annihilated etc. That's why there are so many denominations believing different things. Most are justified scripturally even tho they're kind of mutually exclusive views. But that's the Bible for ya...

 

[Damocles]

No, seriously; hell doesn't exist in Christianity, it's a complete myth and misunderstanding of scripture. There is no basis for it in the Bible, and even the Pope admits it.

You can find passages in the Bible that paint Gehenna/Hell in different ways. In some it's the residence of the devil, in others it's a place where you are alive and tormented, in others it's a place where your soul is annihilated etc. That's why there are so many denominations believing different things. Most are justified scripturally even tho they're kind of mutually exclusive views. But that's the Bible for ya...

Gehenna wasn't some underworld that Satan rules over. It was a town. A quick Googling tells me that it means Hinnom:

The Hinnom Valley is a deep, narrow ravine located in Jerusalem, running south from the Jaffa Gate on the west side of the Old City, then eastward along the south side of Mount Zion until it meets the Kidron Valley which separates the Temple Mount from the Mount of Olives on the east side of the city. It is named from a certain "son of Hinnom" who apparently owned or had some significant association with the valley at a time prior to Joshua 15:8.