The Rise of the Far Right

Ban-jani said:
No I am not. I cannot believe you’re still struggling with this after I broke it down.

I am saying that just because someone shares the same skin colour as a victim of a particular incident, it doesn’t necessarily mean they know more about it.

Therefore it’s best not to dismiss the opinion of someone who doesn’t, as they may well be better read in terms of what happened and why.

When we’re discussing the rise of Nazism and the Holocaust, we tend to go to actual historians, who may not necessarily be Jewish, rather than picking a random Jewish person out from the street to ask them.

When discussing whether the media was racist to Meghan Markle, I’d much rather speak to a neutral person who’s worked in the media irrelevant of skin colour. Some who knows the publications and some of the journalists who wrote the articles, rather than just listening to that random mixed race woman who told Fox to shut up.

I’m making these points against the argument that “straight white privilege” isn’t a good enough reason to tell someone their opinion doesn’t count.

A side point is being straight white and male definitely doesn’t mean privilege. As this group are much more likely to suffer severe mental health issues to the point of committing suicide and are the least represented group in higher education.
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I’m not struggling. It’s what you said. Specific knowledge of a subject involving race vs actual experience. Nazism and Holocaust studies from a historian vs random dude on street who may have had relatives involved but hey may not be up on the details of the Wannsee conference. To get a feel for the treatment of Megan Markle you would rather talk to a ‘neutral’ observer with links to the media rather than listen to Markle herself or a mixed race woman who had the temerity to tell some white actor dude to ‘shut up’.

You have talked more about Fox and the treatment he received than you have about Markle and the treatment she received. Fox is a victim of ‘prejudice’. Markle? Well let’s talk to a neutral for a dispassionate view. When it comes to Fox or the problems of being ‘white and straight’ you talk with emotion and stats to back up that emotion. When it comes to the problems of any other group you take out the emotion. It becomes a problem to be analysed dispassionately. You argue Fox ‘may have knowledge of the journos involved’ a claim with no factual basis. You make no such ‘emotional’ claim to explain the behaviour of woman in the audience.

Just an observation.
 
BobKowalski said:
I’m not struggling. It’s what you said. Specific knowledge of a subject involving race vs actual experience. Nazism and Holocaust studies from a historian vs random dude on street who may have had relatives involved but hey may not be up on the details of the Wannsee conference. To get a feel for the treatment of Megan Markle you would rather talk to a ‘neutral’ observer with links to the media rather than listen to Markle herself or a mixed race woman who had the temerity to tell some white actor dude to ‘shut up’.

You have talked more about Fox and the treatment he received than you have about Markle and the treatment she received. Fox is a victim of ‘prejudice’. Markle? Well let’s talk to a neutral for a dispassionate view. When it comes to Fox or the problems of being ‘white and straight’ you talk with emotion and stats to back up that emotion. When it comes to the problems of any other group you take out the emotion. It becomes a problem to be analysed dispassionately. You argue Fox ‘may have knowledge of the journos involved’ a claim with no factual basis. You make no such ‘emotional’ claim to explain the behaviour of woman in the audience.

Just an observation.
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You’re the one pitting both sides against each other. I’m merely saying the views of a neutral observer, with specific experience or expertise should also be listened to, as should everyone. My argument is everyone should be listened to, yours is that only some people should be, based on skin colour or background.

That’s bigotry pure and simple.

You get the proper view of what antisemitism is and can be in Europe by listening to the historians, experts, those that have experienced it, those that are Jewish generally and then members of the public that have seen it or are in the discussion. The more people who have a say, the closer you get to the truth. Shutting people out is totally unhealthy.

Especially when the accusation is that the UK is institutionally racist and rejected the former Princess based on her mixed heritage.

Do you not think I have the right to defend the country against such as accusation? Especially one with little evidence.

Because we’re not talking about Markle specifically - this is a wider point about who gets to talk about bigotry and whether only the supposed victim(s) gets to talk.

If you want to talk about Markle I’m happy to. I don’t like her, don’t think she’s necessarily been a victim of racism and thinks she’s acted like a spoilt brat.

But then why do you want my opinion? I’m just a white working class straight bloke who’s opinion doesn’t count on racism.
 
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