The Royals - the Commonwealth

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

There's nothing dystopian about actions having consequences, there's nothing new or modern to it. The only difference is 30 years ago if some DJ spouted a load of racist crap and vaccine conspiracies, or some twat assaulted someone on stage everyone would be in agreement that it wasn't OK, whereas today people feel the urge to defend them just to be different and feel they're going against the grain.

This whole Andrew thing has been a spectacular own goal really, and shows it's circling the drain as an institution.

The Palace very transparently put it out there that Andrew was going to be essentially exiled from public life because he obviously raped Epstein's sex slave, and now just a few days after a Caribbean Royal Tour is met by 2/3 countries announcing they're deposing the queen as head of state, he's front and centre of the first Royal event in a year.

Abotu a year ago Hilary Mantel was on radio 4 and said William will be the last monarch. It was a convincing argument then, and everything that's happened since has made it look more and more prescient.

Was Andrew ever convicted of anything apart from in the high court of twitter? I'm not suggesting he isn't a nonce, but as a society we are not defending anything really, we are just played and outraged by a 24 hr news cycle that is short of news, a printed press dying on its arse and the madness of SM platforms. If you think this is a part of a grand moral crusade then good luck

 

[domalino]

Was Andrew ever convicted of anything apart from in the high court of twitter? I'm not suggesting he isn't a nonce, but as a society we are not defending anything really, we are just played and outraged by a 24 hr news cycle that is short of news, a printed press dying on its arse and the madness of SM platforms. If you think this is a part of a grand moral crusade then good luck

“Was he ever convicted” is literally defending him.

It’s an attempt to pretend that because he wasn’t convicted by the far from perfect justice system that the rest of the world cannot make their own mind up for themselves.

It’s not new, or a product of social media for people to not be thrilled the Palace have embraced the guy who was supposed to be in exile for being best friends with a known pedo for 20 years and going to his pedo island and being forced to pay 10m of mummy’s money to a woman he claimed he never met despite photographic proof to the contrary.

That disapproval and negative reaction would have happened in any age, the only new thing is people like you lining up to defend him by saying “B…b…but Was he ever convicted of anything apart from in the high court of twitter?” With the clear implication that if he didn’t get convicted he can’t have done anything wrong and how dare you say otherwise!

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

“Was he ever convicted” is literally defending him.

It’s an attempt to pretend that because he wasn’t convicted by the far from perfect justice system that the rest of the world cannot make their own mind up for themselves.

It’s not new, or a product of social media for people to not be thrilled the Palace have embraced the guy who was supposed to be in exile for being best friends with a known pedo for 20 years and going to his pedo island and being forced to pay 10m of mummy’s money to a woman he claimed he never met despite photographic proof to the contrary.

That disapproval and negative reaction would have happened in any age, the only new thing is people like you lining up to defend him by saying “B…b…but Was he ever convicted of anything apart from in the high court of twitter?” With the clear implication that if he didn’t get convicted he can’t have done anything wrong and how dare you say otherwise!

He wasn't convicted though was he? That isn't defending (the nonce), just stating a fact - Jimmy saville wasn't either!

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

He wasn't convicted though was he? That isn't defending (the nonce), just stating a fact - Jimmy saville wasn't either!

Epstein wasn't convicted of anything besides a plea bargain either. Stop trolling.

I heard a rumour the other day that following his friendship with Epstein and Maxwell Prince Andrew converted to Judaism, and met his most recent partner at her older brother's Bar Mitzvah.

Can anyone confirm?

 

[domalino]

He wasn't convicted though was he? That isn't defending (the nonce), just stating a fact - Jimmy saville wasn't either!

Ok and what is the purpose of that statement?

If you are honest with yourself, the truth of saying “but he wasn’t convicted” is to defend him.

His status of being convicted is not actually relevant to anything. It’s not relevant to whether he did it (we are all old enough to know this), it’s not relevant to whether he should be paraded around as a senior Royal. It’s not really relevant to the conversation about who he is.

So I guess the next question is why do you feel the need to defend him?

 

[Grassland Blue]

How do you apply to be monarch?
Wait in line long enough and your turn will come, apparently...

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Ok and what is the purpose of that statement?

If you are honest with yourself, the truth of saying “but he wasn’t convicted” is to defend him.

His status of being convicted is not actually relevant to anything. It’s not relevant to whether he did it (we are all old enough to know this), it’s not relevant to whether he should be paraded around as a senior Royal. It’s not really relevant to the conversation about who he is.

So I guess the next question is why do you feel the need to defend him?

The purpose is to point out that the justice system is being usurped by 'trial by media' and allied to media/SM manipulation of opinion/outrage it's a pretty toxic brew.

 

[domalino]

The purpose is to point out that the justice system is being usurped by 'trial by media' and allied to media/SM manipulation of opinion/outrage it's a pretty toxic brew.

People making their own mind up from publicly available evidence is not the justice system being usurped.

The only thing the justice system decides is whether you face criminal punishment.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

People making their own mind up from publicly available evidence is not the justice system being usurped.

The only thing the justice system decides is whether you face criminal punishment.

Fair enough, but what I'm seeing is a 95yr old woman getting pelters for not giving her son the cold shoulder at her husband's memorial service. The anti-monarchy and anti-nonce arguments are strong and have a time and place - that wasn't it (imho).

 

[domalino]

Fair enough, but what I'm seeing is a 95yr old woman getting pelters for not giving her son the cold shoulder at her husband's memorial service. The anti-monarchy and anti-nonce arguments are strong and have a time and place - that wasn't it (imho).

No, what you're seeing is people objecting to a head of state who put her disgraced son front and centre of the first major public event of the Royal Family since she spent £10m+ to get him out of a court trial for raping his best mate's sex slave. Not only that, but doing it despite everyone at the palace putting out the message to the papers and media that he'd be exiled from public life because of what he did.

This wasn't a private memorial for Phillip, the 95 year old woman has had her son around for a year to comfort her in her grief, this was a public event where she's acting as The Queen, not Andy's mum.

Even the staunchest pro-monarchist has to be able to discern a difference between the Royal family's personal life, and their offical roles when acting as head of state in public.