The Russians are on their way...why am I not shocked.

Fuck me and still it continues !!

1 March 2014, 21:27
Ukraine: Russia Approves Military Action

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Russian President Vladimir Putin has got the go-ahead from parliament to use the country's military in Ukraine in a marked escalation of the crisis.

The Kremlin has already been accused of sending 6,000 troops into Crimea despite calls by Britain and the US for Moscow to back off.

Two Russian anti-submarine warships have also appeared off the Crimea coast, violating an agreement on Moscow's lease of a naval base, Interfax news agency quoted a Ukrainian military source as saying.

The source said the two vessels, part of Russia's Baltic Fleet, had been sighted in a bay at Sevastopol, where Moscow's Black Sea Fleet has a base.

On Friday, US President Barack Obama warned Moscow "there will be costs" if it intervened militarily.

His national security team met on Saturday for an update on the crisis.

France and Germany have also raised concerns over the developments.

Mr Putin said the use of armed forces was needed in the southeastern region to protect its majority ethnic Russian population.

In response, Ukraine's Acting President Oleksandr Turchynov has called an urgent meeting of security chiefs.

European foreign ministers are also to hold emergency talks in Brussels on Monday.

British Foreign Secretary William Hague said he was "deeply concerned" at the escalation of tensions and the decision of the Russian parliament to authorise military action.

"This action is a potentially grave threat to the sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of Ukraine. We condemn any act of aggression against Ukraine," he said.

Mr Hague is due to visit the country on Sunday and hold talks with Ukraine's new leaders.

Sky's Alex Rossi, in Simferopol, Crimea, said: "It has been a very fluid day of developments. It seems there are thousands of unidentified troops on the streets here in the Crimean peninsula.

"The people that we've spoken to, around the parliament building, they welcome those troops, seeing them as liberators - liberating this region from the tyrannical government that is now in place in Kiev.

"That new unity government that was only voted in this week, though, sees it very differently indeed.

"It sees the presence of these troops as an act of aggression and a violation of Ukrainian sovereignty."

Meanwhile, pro-Russian demonstrations were held in major cities in the east and south of the country, which remain loyal to Moscow, where supporters of the new Ukrainian government in Kiev were beaten up.

Tensions continue to rise amid reports that Russian and Ukrainian troops are trying to gain control of key sites in Crimea.

The autonomous republic has a prime minister loyal to Moscow but the government in Kiev has vowed to maintain the country's territorial integrity.

Reports suggest that Russian troops are trying to occupy an anti-aircraft missile base and have taken control of airports on the peninsular.

Ukraine's border guard service said about 300 armed men were attempting to seize its main headquarters in the port city of Sevastopol.

Russian helicopter gunships have also been seen in Ukrainian airspace.

But there were claims by Russia that gunmen from Kiev had been sent overnight to seize the offices of Crimea's interior ministry.

There was grainy footage of an unidentified armed group breaking into a building, with smoke rising and reports that people had been "wounded".

Russia's Foreign Ministry said in a statement: "As a result of the treacherous provocation, there are wounded."

The pro-Moscow Prime Minister of Crimea, Sergei Aksenov, has appealed to Russia for help in keeping the peace there.

He has confirmed service personnel from Russia's Black Sea Fleet, based in Sevastopol, were guarding key buildings.

In what appears to be an orchestrated move, a referendum on whether residents in Crimea want greater independence from Ukraine has been brought forward by two months to March 30.

Russia's Lower House of Parliament, the Duma, has called on President Vladimir Putin "to take measures to stabilise the situation in Crimea".

And in a further ratcheting up of pressure on Ukraine, Russia said it saw "no reason" to extend a previously agreed gas discount due to unpaid debts.

To add to Ukraine's financial woes, the country's finance minister said it is unlikely to receive financial assistance from the International Monetary Fund before April due to the continuing turmoil.

Ukraine's Prime Minister said his country would not be drawn into a military conflict by Russian "provocations", and appealed to Moscow to halt military movements in the region.

Arseny Yatseniuk said: "It is unacceptable when armoured Russian military vehicles are out in the centre of Ukrainian towns."

Crimea has become a flashpoint for tensions between Russia and Ukraine after the overthrow of President Viktor Yanukovych, a Moscow ally, following months of protests which escalated into deadly violence.

Ukraine's population is divided in loyalties between Russia and the West, with much of western Ukraine advocating closer ties with the European Union while eastern and southern regions look to Russia for support.

Crimea has 2.3 million inhabitants, most of whom identify themselves as ethnic Russians and speak Russian.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
Chancy Termites said:
dazdon said:
I substantial part of the Ukraine want to move to the Russian side.

It's not THAT clear cut is it?

For "substantial part", read "majority". That's how Yanukovich came to be elected in the first place. The candidate who wanted closer ties with the EU lost the vote, a vote that was described at the time by external observers as perfectly free and fair.
The initial vote might've been "free and fair" (dubious in itself) but the subsequent actions have been anything but. He arrested his political rivals on trumped up charges, corruption has increased massively, all in favour of his close friends and family (his son is now one of the richest men in the Ukraine despite only having trained as a dentist), he has turned the country into an economic basket case, and his security forces have opened fire on citizens of his own country merely for protesting about him. If you lived there, would you wait another 2 years to oust him when he's clearly guilty of so many crimes? Actual crimes, incidentally, not simply doing a shit job. I don't care how free or fair the elections were (Hitler anyone?) you forego any democratic mandate when you oversee the killing of your own citizens for the mere act of protesting. But like I said, they should just split the country along ethnic lines as there's clearly a massive ideological split in the country.

Incidentally, it's not the majority of Ukrainians that support the government. Like the UK, a party can win an election with just 30% of the popular vote. In 2012, they received 30% of the vote and that translated to 187 seats. The second place party got 25% of the vote, but just 102 seats. The 3 opposition parties that make up the opposition coalition got nearly 50% of the vote, yet that only made 180 seats.

I don't disagree that Ukraine has a poor choice of politicians but I'm not of the opinion that elections only count if more than half the electorate vote for a particular person. If you have the right not to vote then you're free to exclude yourself from the process as far as I'm concerned. If Yanukovich stands in the 2015 election, should they have one, I reckon he'd win again, as he would if they held one tomorrow. Doesn't mean I think a lot of him though for sure.
 
Chancy Termites said:
I'm With Stupid said:
Chancy Termites said:
For "substantial part", read "majority". That's how Yanukovich came to be elected in the first place. The candidate who wanted closer ties with the EU lost the vote, a vote that was described at the time by external observers as perfectly free and fair.
The initial vote might've been "free and fair" (dubious in itself) but the subsequent actions have been anything but. He arrested his political rivals on trumped up charges, corruption has increased massively, all in favour of his close friends and family (his son is now one of the richest men in the Ukraine despite only having trained as a dentist), he has turned the country into an economic basket case, and his security forces have opened fire on citizens of his own country merely for protesting about him. If you lived there, would you wait another 2 years to oust him when he's clearly guilty of so many crimes? Actual crimes, incidentally, not simply doing a shit job. I don't care how free or fair the elections were (Hitler anyone?) you forego any democratic mandate when you oversee the killing of your own citizens for the mere act of protesting. But like I said, they should just split the country along ethnic lines as there's clearly a massive ideological split in the country.

Incidentally, it's not the majority of Ukrainians that support the government. Like the UK, a party can win an election with just 30% of the popular vote. In 2012, they received 30% of the vote and that translated to 187 seats. The second place party got 25% of the vote, but just 102 seats. The 3 opposition parties that make up the opposition coalition got nearly 50% of the vote, yet that only made 180 seats.

I don't disagree that Ukraine has a poor choice of politicians but I'm not of the opinion that elections only count if more than half the electorate vote for a particular person. If you have the right not to vote then you're free to exclude yourself from the process as far as I'm concerned. If Yanukovich stands in the 2015 election, should they have one, I reckon he'd win again, as he would if they held one tomorrow. Doesn't mean I think a lot of him though for sure.
Yeah obviously I agree, I was just pointing out that just because a party is in power, doesn't mean that it has the support of over 50% of the population.
 
i kne albert davy said:
Prestwich_Blue said:
marco said:
ukraine millitary now on alert, looks like it will kick off sooner rather than later
Can they wait till full-time tomorrow?
Alf a mo Putin lets have our cup final win first.
I'm sure Rubén Cousillas isn't shy about making a quick call to Putin if things start to escalate.
 

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